stay in Trump Tower meeting with the Russians was meant to get dirt on
Hillary but you know is that actually illegal and what would that legal
standard mean for Hillary Clinton and that dirty dossier we're going to debate
that coming up next and we have a lot more to get to including that crazy
story of the radical Muslims in New Mexico holding children against their
will starving them depriving them of water
what is going on with this story and why is it being under covered we'll get to
all of that and debate the Clinton and the dirty dossier issue coming up next
now you can argue all you want about whether the June 2016 Trump Tower
meeting between C campaign officials and Russian Nationals offering dirt on a
Hillary was appropriate but was it illegal Trump critics are losing it
after the president acknowledged the true intention of the meeting on Twitter
yesterday and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough thinks he knows exactly what this means
it's illegal to get information to get anything of worth from a foreign
national speaker it doesn't have to be cash there doesn't have to be an
exchange of cash for something of value anything of value that's called an
in-kind contribution and the law has always looked at that just as seriously
as they've looked at you know as they've looked at money exchanging hands Oh ciao
joining me now to discuss this former deputy Trump campaign manager Dave bossy
opinion contributor for the hill John Solomon and attorney Leo Terrell all
right bossy take it away Joe was definitively putting his legal skills to
work definitively declaring it is illegal to meet with a foreign national
who promises Oppo research wouldn't that call Hilary's behavior
that's about to say that's what the Clinton campaign did it did if there's
any collusion it's their campaign with with the steal fake Russian dossier and
paying steal through the State Department through other through other
places through the FBI look they they are the only ones the Clinton
campaign er the only ones that colluded during the campaign Don jr. did nothing
wrong there's nothing wrong here why did they get the story a little mixed up
there in the early days like it was it wasn't about that listen I didn't help
with a statement like yes if I tell you as a lawyer who did criminal defense
work this is what I tell my clients do not talk about your case
Seattle años tiene la boca do not talk talk about academe talk about other
things leave the legal stuff to me you cannot
litigate this in the press because the press hates you and you got 17 lawyers
on the other side who don't care about what you tweet so if I again cousins
gonna do it he's gonna do it he's really smart but in the legal realm it's a
different ballgame it's a different ballgame and I think he's he's caused
himself a world of pain and just heart not heartache but a headache because of
talking to the press John well I'm never gonna fucking yeah I don't want to never
discourage anyone talk to the press they should always talk to the press yeah but
listen where was my profession on this very law when the whole Hillary dossier
think was coming out you didn't see any stories of reporters looking at that law
saying it must apply here suddenly someone says it applies to Donald Trump
and everybody goes with the pack over here no one really good goes and talks
to lawyers I've talked to lawyers prosecutors there's a great column by
Jonathan Turley on the hill site tonight there's no chance that that meeting
violates he says that will read from a said if the Russians had evidence of
criminal conduct by Hillary Clinton her campaign or Family Foundation the Trump
campaign had every reason to want to know about it that's precisely what
Clinton's campaign spent millions to do talking to Russians and other foreigners
investigating Trump indeed under this interpretation of federal election laws
Clinton and her surrogates would be equally guilty in using a former foreign
spy to gather info on Trump from foreign sources including the Russians period
Leo Terrell your reaction to that well I'm glad you're a lawyer Laura and
you know the dog you know as well Donald Trump jr. better lawyer up because he
along with Jared said that meeting and I Got News for you that is good Speer
see that is illicit hey what's that crime it's fierce into the fraud the
election to the fraud the election their involvement says - give me the code
what's this I want to tell you right now you can talk to your right over your
colleague Judge Napolitano and Leo Terrell agrees there Donald Trump jr. is
in trouble mark my words on this and the WD the
Clin d'oeil CA clinton never met with any foreign nationals likeness you paid
your what I lost this thing so Leo number one you can't sign it is statute
okay I'll give you that I'll let you off the hook for that number two you're
saying if you use intermediaries to gather information from foreign sources
then you obviate from having any responsibility in any conspiracy really
because I think that would use your GPS Hillary and anyone else in the Justice
Department I knew about this who facilitated that means for action of the
dustman let me respond to my favorite talk show host I'm saying to have a
conspiracy we have a meeting of mine Jarrod Donald Trump jr. conspiracy law
remember today's date there is no minimize what Hillary call he's not here
are the only lawyers on this panel unfortunately this is where no
fortunately I'm recovering but again we have a situation where I agree on this
point don't litigate this stuff in the press
because politically people say a lot of things politically and they kind of they
come close to the true they don't because in the legal matter it might be
unwise as it as a legal PR strategy but it doesn't mean a crime was committed
that is holy day also uncovered you know they also on you over the text messages
from Jared Kushner to his assistants saying get me out of this meeting
staffed in five minutes so that's called exculpatory evidence I would hope that
you would say there's no conspiracy when people are trying to not be in a meeting
I think it's funny though and John maybe you'll respond to this this is on CNN I
think I was on like the treadmill this morning I'm watching
I I was almost at the Fred Flintstone thing and like fell off the treadmill
because I'm listening to this going wait a second which one of these is a lawyer
coming to this conclusion let's watch you me there are two big important
things here first of all the law which says that's a big one it's illegal to
take anything of value from someone for yeah that's that I feel that's an
open-and-shut case so completely over John I I said this many times on the
show on the entity show I don't recognize the profession I practice and
say there are so many reporters that just say things in the moment without a
basis for fact you have to have a law to violate it's create a conspiracy there's
no law that prohibits people from taking information if you extended this out one
of the lawyers I talked to today said well then it would have been against the
law for Barack Obama to have arranged all those foreign trips in 2008 to could
make himself look good on the America on the world stage before he got elected
president it wasn't designed to prohibit those sort of things it was designed to
prohibit the sort of things that the Clintons were doing in the nitro and
they're taking my China Donald Donald Trump jr. knew he was talking to aegis
of the Russian government remember that text I love it I love it remember that
text Laura so are you making the Joe Scarborough
you know f you know Edward Bennett Williams argument that this is an
in-kind contribution because if you make that argument then as Jonathan Turley
said it's the same liability criminal liability on Hillary Clinton for an
in-kind contribution that that she received from a foreign source she paid
for it but it doesn't matter it's a conspiracy to get the information I'm
saying to you attorney Ingram that the meeting of the minds a conspiracy
between of having that meeting you don't need to act itself they've met to get
dirt from a government meeting and that's what I'm talking about okay
okay Don juniors on a radio show today in the morrow and I asked him about I
asked him about this meeting let's listen to what he said it's sort of the
cycles of the media narrative right you know that the other stuff isn't sticking
so they're back now tomorrow they'll be back on the 25th amendment literally
nothing changed you know they don't talk about
sort of the genesis of that meeting and that these people were dealing with
using GPS before I guess that is a 20 minute meeting it ended up being you
know about essentially nothing that was relevant to any of these things and you
know that's all it is and that's all they've got and that is I guess the
ultimate distraction from what's really going on in this country which is you
have a Republican president a very conservative president is getting stuff
done one last comment one last comment Donald Trump a junior said that meeting
was about Russian adoption his dad threw him under the bus a day by saying that's
not true and Donald Trump jr. has a problem with
the Senate in it on TV all day long and it's wrong here's what happened okay
this woman pledged to give dirt on Hillary yes she did it that's the
president said however she was trying to push for a removal or or you know to
rescind the Magnitsky Act Putin Putin when the Magnitsky Act was passed which
put all the sanctions on the billionaires he said oh really
we're gonna stop all adoptions of Russians into the United States I have
two Russian sons I followed this very closely that's why she brought up she
said we'll get will give you the adoption if you guys get rid of the
magnets he's oh he's right of course she talked about the adoption that was true
they all died she also met with fusion GPS I believe the day before the meeting
out and the day after the meeting so this is part of a conspiracy of what
Hillary Clinton is doing now inside the way John Solomon I want to find out
maybe you can do the reporting on this why hasn't Muller interviewed vasila
it's kaya why haven't they brought this illness
gaya in why well we don't know that he hasn't that's one of the things my I
think no I think she offered to testify I don't believe she's been brought in
unless something new has happened last week be surprised if there's a lot of
information flowing to her to the press investigation has been going on for two
years and cost over 25 million dollars of taxpayer money and this is where we
are today talking about let me say there's Donald Trump Donald Donald Trump
you guys need to go immediately I'm not trying to cut you out but we're gonna go
we're gonna go to black and I'm gonna get in trouble but thank you is a great
panel they are the woman we're shortchanging
the women trumpeted by the left is rapidly
into the year of the radical we'll explain next remember back in 1992 they
called that the year the woman the Democrats did in the election and then
it was 2016 with Hillary was the year of the woman and now here we are again 2018
let's try a third time around is being called the year the woman by some in the
media and of course on the left but if you listen to high-profile female
Democrats including 2020 presidential candidates you know this next person is
running you'd be forgiven for thinking it's the year the radical just take a
look I am a Democratic Socialist Republicans are going to call us
socialists no matter what we do
so we might as well give them the real thing I have a problem guys with that
phrase identity politics when people say that it's a pejorative that phrase is
used to divide and it is used to distract its purpose is to minimize and
marginalize issues that impact all of us
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