this program is brought happening Italy's Prime Minister arriving at the
White House just moments ago we're going to show you these pictures that came in
during the commercial break Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said to be
perhaps the closest of the allies in Europe to support this president but
he's facing an interesting political ground where he is in Italy it's the
establishment forces wanting things like closing the door to migrants and
questioning the ground rules of Italy's relationship with the European Union and
in favor of closer ties to Russia those two men now meeting inside the White
House and bring you the news on it as it cooks in the meantime Senator Joe
Manchin Democrat from West Virginia is scheduled to meet with Supreme Court
nominee Brett Kavanaugh a short time from now this will make mansion the
first Senate Democrat to do so mansion is facing a tough re-election battle in
a state the president won by a huge margin the meeting comes as Senate
Minority Leader Chuck Schumer is reportedly pushing red state Democrats
to hold back any support for Cavanaugh for as long as possible
Schumer is also calling for the release of files from Cavanaugh's time in the
bush White House where he worked as legal counsel and staff secretary this
morning Senate Judiciary Committee member Richard Blumenthal said he'll try
to delay the process until that demand is met watch question is what they're
hiding why are they concealing some of these document meet with this nominee
and certainly would urge my colleagues to vote against them if we are denied
those documents in the meantime Republican Senator Bob Portman is
warning against a fishing expedition saying Democrats should request only
documents relevant to Cavanaugh's potential Supreme Court service I want
to ask you about this so a bunch of these documents have to do with the time
when he was staff secretary at the White House they say that job is someone
called it a paper-pusher it's not quite what that is but they're
saying that his job was not about providing advice that what it was about
was that making sure that all the documents that were coming from
different parts of the executive branch that we're supposed to get in front of
the president got in front of the president and he saw them and that it
has nothing to do with his legal thinking he didn't have any say over how
the documents were constructed what was in them he was just responsible for
getting them to the president I think they should strike an agreement
about a reasonable document request from the Bush administration era days but
keep in mind Judge Cavanaugh has sat on the DC Circuit now for 12 years that is
the body of work that is most relevant to his nomination to the US Supreme
Court I think it's interesting to see Manchin as the first Democrat this guy's
been the nominee for a month the Democrats are finally getting around to
actually meet with him and mansions in a very tough spot because there was a poll
that came out that pulled four red states that Democrats currently hold one
Senate seat and three of them are up for reelection this year in West Virginia
Joe Manchin state by a twenty five point margin the people of that state want to
see Cavanaugh confirmed in North Dakota which is where Heidi Heitkamp is running
for reelection it's plus thirty eight in favor of Cavanaugh's compound and also
big double-digit numbers in Alabama and Indiana as well there is going to be
immense pressure brought to bear on these red state Democrats from the
Republican Party from their opponents and meanwhile Chuck Schumer is over here
saying guys please give us time for a fishing expedition they've got nothing
on Cavanaugh let's be honest and if they want to find something to hang their hat
on and they're asking these red state Democrats to march along with Schumer
and company to give them that delaying tactic but what they're not just asking
them I mean look at dick Durbin look at some of the other Democrats who are at
they're saying fall on your sword for the cause what is the cause exactly when
you have the opportunity you're looking at a nominee Adrian that has 300
opinions that you could read through it's say you do get all those documents
I don't know if you can read it all by October first but let's not protect too
much because I don't think anybody read all of that healthcare legislation but
you know you you look at these things and Democrats have an opportunity to get
on the record and meet with him and ask all the questions he could hold the job
if he's confirmed for decades I mean it's it's money it's dirty
all sorts though I think every single United States Senate
regardless of party affiliation should meet with Haman bottom line but look of
course Democrats and by the way Republicans should be doing the same
thing we want as much information as we can get on him that includes his emails
and documents from his time in the Bush administration by the way by the way
when Elena Kagan was going through her Pratt Supreme Court nomination Clarence
the tables were turned and Republicans thought as much information they could
on her they met with her wasn't this the situation where a month in we're waiting
for when Democrats in her position in the Obama administration was Solicitor
General which is the top lawyer for the US government who argues before the
Supreme thing that the job was specifically related to work at the
Supreme Court so certainly make the argument that Kavanagh has time in the
Bush administration it is when others are making that argument which is why
they went directly to George your GW Bush to find out if he would release the
paperwork that they're looking for it seems like a ridiculous question with
with the staff secretary that stuff had nothing to do with his legal perspective
I mean it was about getting papers together let me listen to the president
let me ask Kennedy is it suicide for these Democrats when you hear the
numbers that guy quoted if they vote against cabin or is it automatic suicide
or is it just one issue for them well they have to think are they really
representing their state and it's so frustrating when we have these
conversations because they're so far from the focus of what these meetings
should be which is the United States Constitution you know it is the judicial
branch it is holding the other two branches accountable and you know asking
some of those major philosophical questions which they have the
opportunity to do okay we've got breaking news right now and we've been
talking about the attorney for the President of the United States Rudy
Giuliani and he is now on the telephone with us mr. Giuliani are with us you I
am doing fantastic and I know you've got your hands full with a whole lot and I
want to get right to the questions if I can
well just and do you want to first start off with a statement because we'd
certainly want to talk about what looked like a shift this morning so take it
away you let's begin with that so what I said
today that there was no collusion and therefore and that collusion also is no
crime understand that's in the very beginning so jot doubt it's a very very
familiar lawyers arguments that the alternative my client didn't do it and
even if he did it it's not a crime and I have said that over and over in
collusion is not a crime the only crime here is hacking and it's ridiculous to
think that the president hacked now why do I say that I say that to attack the
legitimacy of the investigation because it's become crystal clear this
investigation that began with feet of straw has been continued as an
illegitimate investigation and some day we may have to prove through this no
second thing I wanted to correct they said why you know why would we attack a
call when he could do terrible things he cannot do terrible things we are fully
confident that he has no information that implicates the present United
States we have listened to one hundred and eighty three unique conversations
which are all the ones that vaguely have an image of a president Trump and I
would like them to be out for the public to hear them but I can't do that I can
only respond to the ones that they leak out every time we do we prove our case
that the President did nothing wrong and when I said to Cohen was a decent man I
had no reason not to think he was all of a sudden I find that the man is taping
his client and then he's lying to Chris Cuomo and hiding tapes that he slide and
towards the other respects and then I find out some litany of these tapes a
lot of other things you don't know yet and I think I've got a scoundrel on my
hands and of course I'm not gonna have my client attacked by a scoundrel so
that's those are the three things all right I want to unpack that a little bit
you know first of all let's start off with the collusion because she said was
you wanted to correct yourself and what we had you in two interviews today
saying what appeared to be a shift was that you said no collusion would not be
a crime but what you're now correcting for the record as I understand mr.
Giuliani is that you have said all along that there was a no collusion and then
be if there were collusion it would not be a crime is that correct am I reading
that right okay yeah that maybe maybe some sense isn't that forty interview
short I didn't say both at the same time it's similar to
flinch when we we say the Flint conversation never took place
with Colby but if it did take place you can ask a prosecutor to go easy somebody
a radish being obstruction all right so we got that one point you went on to a
couple of others but I want to skip ahead to something else what seemed also
like a shift today and that was the tower the Trump Tower meeting with the
Russian officials who were here to meet with Donald Jr Donald Trump jr. and and
others from the Trump campaign in that meeting at Trump Tower there has been a
question because of Michael Cohen now saying that he was willing to go on the
record with Russia investigation head robert muller to say that the president
knew that that meeting was going to take place and what we heard you say today
was that the president was not at that meeting that actually takes on a
question that had not been asked for even suggested so why did you say that
because there are two different meetings one of which has leaked and the other of
which has been given to three reporters in je Seco and I have been successful I
think and beating it back so let me take you through it
the day of the meeting with the Russians Cohen has said at least he's released it
so we're not even sure he said it somebody said it formed through a report
he said that he what he was in president shops office Donald Trump jr. walked in
and told him about the Russian did that is categorically untrue did not happen
two witnesses demonstrate that he has talked about
this endlessly on those 193 unique Padres three unique recordings and he
never mentions it at all he would have if it had anything to do with any of he
the reason he's saying this is it's one of the few things he can lie about where
the tapes don't absolutely contradict him but the testimony of other people
does say there wasn't another meeting that has been leaked but hasn't been in
public yet okay I was a meeting and I'll let you meet it three days before
recordings are calling according to the leak maybe cold over the druthers I
don't know they had two suited and the two publications are
not going to publish it I think they found independent contradiction he says
there was a meeting with Donald Jr with Jared Kushner with Paul Manafort with
gate possibly two others in which they out of the presence of the president
discuss the meeting with the Russian we checked with their lawyers the ones we
could check with which was for the six that meeting
never ever took place it didn't happen it's a figment of his imagination or is
lying the only meeting they find for that day that included any of these
people is a meeting about the about the Hispanic a judge that the president had
criticized back around that time so that's hopefully sets the record
straight well I let me just ask it this way so you can told us about two
meetings there was one that the public knows about which when you talk about a
meeting and you say that the president wasn't there that's the one that
everybody would assume that we're all on the same page about but what you're
saying now is that there was another meeting that was leaked that has not
been made public and I would assume until now really described by you Rudy
Giuliani in detail that happened three days prior that had Don jr. Jared
Kushner Paul Manafort gates and possibly two others and that's the meeting that
Michael Cohen says the president was not or the president knew about ahead of
time but you say the president was not there No
Cohen is not alleging I don't look I don't know well I have a to report is
telling me Cohen told them there was a meeting three days before with the group
of people that I said and that they discussed the committee and that the
president was not there he didn't say the president knew about it okay I am
Telling You meeting didn't take place never happened he had to have it with
himself a second there there's another there's another another leak this one is
out and this one Cohen says he walked he was in Donald Trump's office when Donald
Trump jr. walked in and told him about a Russian meeting that was about to start
that is also not true this is Melissa Francis and I just want
jump in I don't think any of that really addresses the the question of why you
would say he wasn't at the meeting who no why are you saying that the president
wasn't at the meeting I understand those two meetings that you just said out
there where you're saying yes if he was there
no one asked if he was there Cohen is alleging as a meeting took place we are
making it clear that the president was not at that meeting Cohen doesn't even
allege that to cut it off okay to to alleged meetings first meeting group of
people not the president that group of people says the meeting didn't take
place the only person what was alleged it is
calling second meeting the president's office in walks Donald Trump jr. says
let me with the Russian never took place neither of them happened I mean it's
different to say that that meeting didn't happen to say it didn't happen
but to say he wasn't there implies that it happened
anyone know as alleged by the buyer okay I've been led by : we understand that I
want to get it to get to this mr. Giuliani just so there everybody is on
the same page there was a meeting that witnesses saw I mean it wasn't really
secret they walked into Trump Tower I mean people went into that meeting what
do you say today about that meeting that we know of and and Don jr. was at that
meeting this is the first one not the second what is your latest to take on
that as you get ready potentially to decide whether the president will sit
down with robert muller separate from anything michael CONUS I just want to
get you back on the record about that really that that meeting that did take
place just the other two either didn't take place I didn't take place in
anywhere near that walk that meeting that we're talking about with the
Russian woman and the other Russian did take place it's been described already
by Donald Jr expen described by I think Jared I'm not sure it's election nothing
they came that they there was supposedly going to be some
and information about Hillary Clinton they didn't have any the meeting was
over and it was never followed up
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