What Trump Firing Tillerson Means For Iran
Rex and I have been talking about this for a long time we we've got along
actually quite well but we disagreed on things when you look at the Iran deal I
think it's terrible I guess he fit it was okay
I wanted to either break it or do something and he felt a little bit
differently so we were not really thinking the same with Mike Mike Pompeo
we have a very similar thought process I think it's going to go very well Rex is
a very good man I like Rex a lot I really appreciate his commitment than
his service and I'll be speaking to r XO over a long period of time
no I really didn't discuss it very much with him honestly
I made that decision by myself Rex wasn't as you know in our in this
country I made the North Korea decision with
consultation for many people but I made that decision by myself
I actually got along well with Rex but really it was a different mindset it was
a different thinking
say it again
I respect his intellect I respect the process that we've all gone through
together we have a very good relationship for whatever reason
chemistry whatever it is why do people get along
I've always right from the beginning from day one I've gotten along well with
Mike Pompeo and frankly I get along well with Rex too and you know I wish Rex a
lot of good things I think he's going to do I think he's going to be very happy
I think Rex will be much happier now but I really appreciate his service but with
Mike we've had a very good chemistry right from the beginning
well it sounds to me I'm speaking to Teresa mate today it sounds to me like
it would be Russia based on all of the evidence they have I don't know if
they've come to a conclusion but she's calling me today as you know now we're
going to the wall we're going out to the wall we're going to be looking at the
prototype which is very important for our country but Teresa may is going to
be speaking to me today it sounds to me like they believe it was russia and i
would certainly take that finding his fat
as soon as we get the facts straight and we're going to be speaking with the
British today we're speaking with Theresa May today and as soon as we get
the facts straight if we agree with them we will condemn Russia or whoever it may
be but I have not spoken to out speak to her sometime today
we're very happy with the decision by the House Intelligence Committee saying
there was absolutely no collusion with respect to Russia and it was a very
powerful decision a very strong decision backed up I understand they're going to
be releasing hundreds of pages of proof and evidence but we are very very happy
with that decision it was a powerful decision that left no doubt so I want to
thank the House Intelligence Committee and all of the people that voted so slow
I'm looking at Larry Kudlow very strongly I've known him a long time we
don't agree on everything but in this case I think that's good I want to have
a divergent opinion we agree on most he now has come around to believing in
tariffs as also a negotiating point you know I'm renegotiating trade deals and
without tariffs we wouldn't do nearly as well but Larry has been a friend of mine
for a long time he backed me very early in the campaign I think the earliest I
think he was one of my original backers he's a very very talented man a good man
and I think Larry Kudlow has a good chance I'm also speaking to many others
but I think Larry has a very good chance thank you all I'll see you I'll see you
at the wall I'll see you at the wall
joining me now is the Washington free beacon editor matthew cottan Eddie Matt
one of the things that they didn't talk about today is something you've been
focused on which is that while this attention has been focused on Syria or
on North Korea we do have an ongoing discussion about Iran and the Iran
nuclear deal and the connection between that and secretary Tillerson is firing
your thoughts that's right and you heard it I think that in that last question
about the Europeans perhaps raising the prospect of new sanctions against Iran
in a bid to preserve the Obama Iran nuclear agreement and as you recall that
President Trump says this is the worst deal ever and I think elevating Mike
Pompeo to the Secretary of State is another sign that President Trump is
very likely to end the agreement this coming May in addition we have a quote
from secretary mattis who has been talking about what Iran is doing in the
Middle East and he said today we have worrisome evidence that Iran is trying
to influence using money in the Iraqi elections and so not only is Iran
continuing to try to have influence in Syria but all across the region
including in Iraq but what also Matthieu about Iran's connection to North Korea
that's right now news stories about proliferation relationships between Iran
and North Korea and Syria where Iran has a huge presence you know every every
place there's mischief in the Middle East and you said Iraq Syria let's not
forget Yemen where there's that awful civil war taking place Iran's
fingerprints are behind it and this has been kind of an undercover drawer with
the Trump administration being increasingly tough on Iran nikki Haley
in particular raising this issue of Iran's involvement in Yemen the drones
there there was an altercation between Israel and Iranian forces in Syria and
now I think with Pompeo who's not only a critic of the nuclear deal but also
critic of the repression of the Iranian government I think he'd be a strong
force for deterrence and rewriting or just tearing up the new
you know the the pushback is coming from a lot of different places take a listen
to this clip of Saudi Crown Prince Ben Law and bin Salman he was questioned
about Iran I wanted to get your thoughts on that I know you study the region
closely well you know I think it's important to remember that not only is
there this external pressure from people like the crown prince of Saudi Arabia
and the Trump administration there's also internal pressure from within Iran
that we can't ignore the the Ayatollah Khomeini who's in charge of Iran and his
ruling clique are under a lot of pressure from dissidents remember they
had those riots at the end of last year there the economy is in shambles they
have a banking crisis and there are even criticisms that the Iranian foreign
policy is overstretched Iranians wondering why is there so much attention
being paid to Syria and not to the economic problems at home so all of
these pressures are kind of coalescing into what I think will be a
confrontation with Iran in the coming year certainly is a subject that we
should pay more attention to and we will continue to do so on the daily briefing
and elsewhere on the Fox News Channel matthew cottan Eddie thank you thank you
well former 2000 Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Lieberman
telling me on this show yesterday that Mike Pompeo at the State Department
means what it means for the Iranian nuke deal take a listen
I think he is ready to pull out and I think that would be the principal thing
and the best thing to do for our national security and Mike Pompeo who I
know unlike in and respect I think will be a secretary of state who will support
the president in the kind of principled tough policy against Iran that'll be
best for America the former State Department spokesperson at Marie harf
and a former Navy SEAL Dave Sears they've also everything on this I was
kind of surprised Joe Lieberman obviously known as a straight shooter
but he was very complimentary of the actions that President Trump has taken
recently with the State Department yeah absolutely I think you know Joe
Lieberman has always been Pro is real to some extent and anti Iran is usually if
you're pro-israel anti-iran and to good reason Iran's not just a threat to
Israel one of our closest partners in the region but it's
a threat to the entire region as well as the United States Murray well I think
that Joe Lieberman said some interesting things but the problem now when we're
talking about the Iran deal is that President Trump and Mike Pompeo may not
like it but they haven't put forward something to replace it with and that's
what happens when you're in charge and you're actually governing you can't just
discard something without having a plan to do something to do it better and if
if they were to walk away and Iran were to restart its nuclear program
the next day that would be squarely on president Trump's head and I do think
there are a lot of my former colleagues at the State Department who are career
officers non-partisan who are worried about the fact that Mike Pompeo does not
seem to support the Iran deal and he doesn't seem to support diplomacy sort
of writ large for dealing with things like North Korea the State Department
that's what they do is diplomacy yeah but Dave I think some people
believe the Iranian nuke deal de facto started Iran on
ultimately getting a nuclear weapon it's just elated but now they know at some
point that you know they'll be able to get it with impunity and and that will
be it absolutely so it allows them to get it at some point in the future 10
years or 15 years or whatever it is but it's also Murray makes the assumption
that they stopped their nuclear program we don't have any verification of that
one a couple of years before the deal we are certain there was no nuclear program
and then all of a sudden there's a nuclear program and we're presented with
this two options a deal or go to war there's more than two options all the
time with that we're saying that Iran now has stopped their thing ie EA has
not been to one military site that's since the beginning of the deal not one
military that's just not true it's someone who worked on the deal who spent
hours and weeks and months negotiating it
there are inspectors crawling all over every part of Iran's nuclear program
today they have repeatedly verified at the IAEA and through our own
intelligence methods that Iran is complying in 10 years it is not true
that they can get a nuclear weapon in fact the deal specifically prohibits
them from ever getting a weapon so we can debate the deal in the past
where we are today is Donald Trump is in charge and it's on him to come up with a
better deal like he said he could he hasn't done it yet he's been in office a
year but is it worthwhile for him to try to achieve that a better deal
absolutely it's worthwhile for him to go after a better deal take for example I
mean we are something that Joe Lieberman said yesterday was great he said not
trust but verify but mistrust and verify and we're not able to verify I'm
interested I'd love to see how many IEA guys war two military sites in Iran
looking at those programs right did Iran self reporting now we go back he
absolutely needs to make a better deal this one is kicking the can down the
road that's it Murray you wouldn't you would acknowledge that perhaps there can
be a better deal that there could be component to this that could be
tightened up well I think he raises an interesting question about whether you
could get some of these timelines pushed out longer 20 years 25 years we already
have restrictions in the deal that last 25 years and some that lasts forever
the problem in the challenges he can have that conversation with our European
allies and with the Iranians I think that's fair and that's his prerogative
this threat to pull out of the deal if everybody just doesn't automatically a
seed to his demands isn't really how diplomacy works and I don't think it
will get the outcome that he wants that could strengthen some of these pieces of
the deal I think he needs a little bit of a gentler touch and diplomatically
mostly I mean obviously that we haven't pulled out of it yet and and I think
they have tried to woo particularly our European allies around to some some
changes thank you both very much really appreciate it
president Trump shocking us once again this morning giving a cold heave-ho to
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson sexy Rexy we hardly knew you the president
did it with a tweet that read quote Mike Pompeo director of the CIA will become
our new Secretary of State he will do a fantastic job thank you to Rex Tillerson
for his service Gina Haspel will become the new director of the CIA and the
first woman so chosen congratulations to all the kicker here we're told
Tillerson didn't even know he was getting fired when he met with the press
a few hours later he thanked everyone but the president some of my colleagues
in the State Department and the interagency much remains to be done
to achieve our mission on behalf of the American people with allies and with
partners I close by thanking Pitts Hall for the privilege of serving beside you
for the last 14 months importantly to the 300 plus million Americans thank you
for your devotion to a free and open society and the big shake-up coming just
before plan talks with North Korean dictator Kim Jong hoon so why now
joining me Fox News politics editor it is Chris Starr waltz live in DC Chris
welcome back to the show good to be with you man so Rex Tillerson reportedly
called the president a moron he he gave Russia the what for after that
assassination in London and who knows what it was exactly what the straw was
that broke Rex the camel's back what are your thoughts in talking to folks at the
State Department around the administration today basically what you
come up with is that the the question on the way that the president owes
Tillerson on North Korea was material but I think the tariffs were a pretty
big issue Trump is very sensitive to the fact that people in his administration
people in his party who are free traders free market people generally don't want
to go sell his tariffs he lost his chief economic adviser over the question and
Tillerson I think as a a global corporate dude from Exxon I don't think
he was a very likely candidate to go out and try and sell protectionism so I
think that was a big part of it and I think the other part of it I think
what's noteworthy here is that we are seeing Trump returned to the nationalist
populist version of himself that he campaigned on he's out talking about
building a wall today he's talking about a canning Tillerson though I do think it
is also telling that Trump did it by a tweet and he wouldn't
talk to Tillerson he waited until Tillerson was overseas and heading back
did it before he got back did it by tweet I think the president did not want
to have the conversation with Teller sin' and i also assume the president is
not looking forward to or unless he's already had at the conversation he's
going to have with James Madison is ongoing turmoil in the national security
apparatus yes and there might be more departures in the near future but let's
talk about Tillerson for a little bit because he did not get universal glowing
reviews it said that he was kind of lazy at the State Department he only made a
few phone calls today and with slashing budgets left and right which led senior
diplomats to complain publicly about being critically short-handed so that's
where they started that's where Tillerson started because he took this
very laconic Texan watching and not saying stuff for weeks and months at the
beginning and this of course frustrated people at the State Department not to
mention people at the State Department who do not think that a a Petro oligarch
kind of guy was their setting but as time went on Tillerson won a lot of
respect at that agency and in talking to people even Democrats who are in career
positions at the State Department today you get the sense that they came and you
saw in the emotional way that he talked about it and the fact that this is a guy
who got choked up talking about this service I think in the end that they
looked at him as an ally and some if you can if you can get the State Department
to respect you at the same time that you're trying to slash their budget by
40% you've done something pretty good that is true he has inspired some
loyalty from some of the people serving beneath him there thank you god bless
you and God bless america
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