Jorge Ramos Says Trump Wants To Make America White Again Tucker's Response Embarrasses Him
Jorge Ramos is an anchor Univision he's the author of stranger the challenge of
a Latino immigrant in the Trump Aron he joins us tonight all right thanks for
coming on hey great to be here so I understand why Mexico wants to export
its ports the United States I'm sure if we can export our poor to Canada some
people would be in favor of it not me but some but what I don't understand is
why America is denounced as racist for not wanting that why is it racist to say
it's our border we determine who comes here no you know first of all let me
just say that I don't speak for the Mexican government I've been criticizing
the Mexican government for decades right as a matter of fact I left Mexico
because of censorship so I don't speak for the Mexican government okay now what
I what I do understand is when when you have precedent from saying that makes
you has to pay for a useless wall Mexican simply don't like that and when
you have a politician on June 2015 saying that Mexican immigrants are
criminals and drug traffickers and rapists and that's a racist statement
Mexicans simply don't like that that's the problem with Donald Trump rejecting
Donald Trump and his government okay I understand that but I mean let's be
honest if you were to do an actual measure of racism Mexico is a far more
racist country than the United States I mean the last four presidents have all
been white people who went to Harvard or Yale it's a totally unequal Society it's
not the most unequal in the world I'm not attacking it but I'm just saying
discrimination makes you in Mexico there's no Mexico I just think a little
perspective is in order here that's a little much for the offspring
of conquistadors to be saying you're racist if you want a border by the way
when we get there we deserve affirmative action like what this is crazy can we be
honest about it or no I think we can be honest about it yeah there's
discrimination here in the United States and there's also discrimination in
Mexico absolutely now the United States does have the right to a border a secure
border I have I have absolutely no problem with that but I don't think that
bringing the military to the to the is the right solution I think it's gonna
be a waste a monumental waste of time and resources the same as building this
useless wall between both countries I think what we really need is a legal
system a legal immigration system that works and it isn't working right now ok
so there's no doubt it's no work that it's not working but what you're saying
is we need to just legalize everyone who snuck in how about you say the United
States has a right to say you know we've got a lot of low-skilled workers already
Automation is is eliminating their jobs we don't want anymore how about that and
maybe Mexico should stop allowing hundreds of thousands of Central
Americans to cross the length the 2,500 miles of its country into the US maybe
Mexico could help and we wouldn't need a wall why is that why is the idea well I
think there are two points right here Tucker one has to do with the fact that
many undocumented immigrants are here in the United States because of us they're
doing many of the jobs that we don't want to do so that's that's one point
and that's why I think we have the responsibility to legalize them 11
million of them now talking about Central Americans crossing from Mexico
to the United States I think finally the United States and Donald trum they've
realized that they need Mexico to control immigration maybe this is
Mexico's bargaining chip if I think after President Ron said that Mexican
immigrants were criminals and rapists and after threatening to end NAFTA and
after trying to make Mexico pay for the wall now he has realized that after all
the attacks and insults now he needs Mexico and that's that's a really wait a
second I mean without illegal aliens in the United States Mexico would collapse
as I said remittances are the single largest source of hard currency in
Mexico and it's not yet more that probably not more than fentanyl or
cocaine that's probably number one but we don't have the exact numbers on that
but why can't we be honest and say Mexico wouldn't exist without sending
its poor here and well we should call on them to do something to control the
border and if they don't why wouldn't we build a wall I don't understand
where's their obligation in this you know I wouldn't say Mexico wouldn't
exist as a matter of fact Mexico since before the United States so that's
that's a completely different story and then remittances are incredibly
important to the Mexican economy but also you have to remember that there are
many other resources to resume and or align incredibly important so Mexico
wouldn't exist without the United States that's absolutely false no but look and
actually this is America's fault I do think to a small degrees we spend an
awful lot of time trying to improve countries across the globe and not
enough paying attention to Latin America this is a problem because the Mexican
government is dysfunctional in its leaders steal the money and leave and
have houses in Switzerland so why don't you and people like you and me to put
pressure on the Mexican government to serve its own people and then maybe they
wouldn't have to send 11 million people here to say I do agree with you I do
agree with you on that I've been criticizing the Mexican government for
corruption more than yeah and I've said the these government with enrique pena
nieto more than a hundred thousand people would have been killed just in
these government so that's that's something that we cannot stand and what
I'm noticing right now is by having Donald from criticizing Mexico and
Mexicans now it seems that he's helping the most anti from candidate to go ahead
and in the next elections that we got happened you like the first that's that
I I think you're voting in by the way since you're a dual citizen yeah but can
we disagree on this point that a country that exterminated its black population
that is run exclusively by white people that had a caste system based on blood
until pretty recently probably shouldn't be calling us racist can we take let's
take that out of the equation this is an economic argument about who benefits
from migration it's not really about race I don't think no no I think we I
think we should criticize both countries if there's discrimination in Mexico and
there's a lot of discrimination we have to say that but when we have a president
like president from who's made racist statements who clearly
to make America wide again by bringing no weight when he said that he wants to
bring immigrants from Norway and not from Haiti and from Africa don't you
think that's a racist statement that 85% of our immigrants are non-weight it's
not a question of white or non-white it's a question of whether Mexico gets
to use the United States as its welfare system by the way there were two seconds
no justice the Mexico because they were black two countries they'd never been to
that's what it's like to be african-american in Mexico good luck
with that so let's just stop with the race stuff there's a lot of racism in
Mexico but immigration is simply a matter of supply and demand and it's we
have to understand it's an economic phenomenon I agree totally agree with
that so let's drop the moral cudgel of race so we can have a rational adult
conversation about this rather than mudding it with this college student
nonsense about identity politics that that would be mine oh thank you very
much Jorge I think we shit you're coming on Thank You Tucker thank you god bless
you and God bless america
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