Effects are far and wide.
Michael Wolff joins me now.
Michael, I'm not sure what is
left to ask.
You have been absolutely
everywhere.
Is there anything in the book
that you thought would get more
attention than it has thus far?
>> One of my favorite lines is
when trump calls hr Mcmaster a
beer salesman.
He says he looks like a beer
salesman.
Why do I have to talk to him?
And I always like that line
because I have no idea what a
beer salesman actually is.
You know, and that's -- there is
a kind of thing with trump that
it is as though he is from
another generation, two
generations ago, three
generations ago.
There is something peculiarly
trapped in time about him.
I think this is part of the
immigration debate that's been
going on since yesterday.
I mean he really does.
And in many situations, I have
found him talking about, you
know, why aren't -- why do we
limit immigration from Europe?
Why do we have these other
people?
He says things like isn't anyone
in America anymore?
It's that kind of thing.
So an odd thing is that trump in
the end is kind of like your old
grand father.
>> I've tried to keep abreast of
the many interviews that you've
given in connection with the
book release.
Something that you said to
Savannah Guthrie piqued my
curiosity.
Roll the tape.
>> Your former editor at vanity
fair said he wasn't surprised
you had written the explosive
book.
He was surprised they let you in
the door at the white house.
Are you surprised?
>> You know, no.
I'm a nice guy.
I go in.
>> Did you flatter your way in?
>> I certainly said what was
ever necessary to get the story.
>> Michael Wolff, what did that
mean?
I said whatever was necessary to
get the story.
>> Well, I don't know.
I went in and I was -- I did not
say, you know, I hate you and
I'm opposed to you and good
riddance to you.
As much of the media has
basically said.
I went in and said actually what
I believed which was show me
what you're doing.
Tell me what you want to do.
Let's see how this works.
Let's see if this can work.
So I think that I projected to
the white house an amount of
honest openness, frankly.
>> Honest openness.
Did you ever misrepresent your
objective or your feelings about
the president?
>> Never -- never once.
Never in any way.
I went into the white house and
I told them I want to write this
book from your point of view.
I don't want to be someone
looking in.
I want you to tell me what you
think.
And that's really what the book
is.
The book is not my impressions
of this white house or the
president.
It is the -- in the voices of
the people in the white house.
>> Did you tell them that your
objective was to humanize the
president, that nobody was doing
that, that you personally like
the president, that you'd be
able to change perceptions about
the president, that you hope to
interview him in a relaxeded
state?
>> I probably said, yes, that I
wanted to humanize the president
which I wanted to do.
>> Were all of those pledges
accurate when you made them?
Were they all honest?
Do any of them embarrass you to
day?
>> Not in the least.
As I said, it sounds like you
have something on your mind
here.
>> I do.
I do.
>> I went into this white house
saying I want to write it from
your point of view.
Tell me.
I'm completely open to this.
If I could write a book which --
in which I found that the
president was contrary to all
opinions a potential success, I
would have been delighted to
write that book.
>> Is it fair that you presented
yourself as sort of the beacon
to combat media bias against the
president and that that was the
way in which you were seeking
the interview?
>> I didn't much present myself
in any way.
And nor did anyone particularly
inquire as to my point of view
or where I was going or what
this book was going to be.
To be perfectly honest, nobody
was that interested.
>> What I'm really after is not
so much a policy or position
interview with the president but
an opportunity to humanize him.
Honestly, I don't think there is
anybody out there who is doing
this or it seems who cares about
doing this.
But I think you know that I like
him and I believe I can show him
in a way that might actually
change perceptions of him.
Chatted about this yesterday
with Bannon who suggested doing
something in the residence.
I'm open to anything but the
more relaxed the better.
I asked the question because it
sounds like you're presenting
yourself as an individual who
has his best interest at heart,
likes him, wants to show a more
humanizing side of him and for
that reason you should be given
access.
It becomes relevant because many
of us who read the book and I
read the book, are trying to
understand where the white house
denies it well what's true and
what's not true?
And, therefore, your level of
veracity in walking in the door
becomes significant.
>> And I'm missing -- so what
are you implying here?
I mean that's the way -- that is
exactly -- no.
That's exactly what I had in
mind to do.
It was open your kimo in.
Kimono.
I'm willing to write any story
here.
Give me the story.
I wrote the story what I got.
I wrote what I saw and what I
heard.
>> How much access did you have
to the president?
Were there any interviews at all
for the book?
>> I have said from the
beginning I have spent about
three hours in one-on-one
conversations with the president
during the campaign, the
transition, and in the white
house.
>> Okay.
Because from the paper trail
that I've seen and I've tried to
become more knowledgeable in
anticipation of having you here,
it doesn't seem like there was
any interview you were afforded
for the book per se.
There is a Hollywood reporter
interview that you did.
>> I think we should point out
that I'm someone in the white
house as obviously giving you
e-mails that I sent which is
perfectly fine.
But, you know, the white house
has been on a concerted attack
on me since this book came out.
By the way, a totally
incompetent attack which so far
has found a few typos and turned
this book into the best-selling
book in the world.
But you are now doing the job of
the white house.
Just so everybody knows that.
>> Well, wait a minute, I read
the book.
I took the time to read the
book.
There it is.
>> I know, but you have --
>> You're leer to discuss the
book.
I have questions.
I have questions.
>> I know this.
Let's --
>> I have questions as a reader.
They are this.
Go ahead.
>> Someone is giving you e-mails
that I wrote.
So, therefore, this is -- you're
doing the work of the white
house.
To discredit this book.
The white house wants to
discredit this book.
They seem to think that he says
so the implication is he was
polite.
>> I raised two subjects thus
far.
I have more but I raised two
subjects thus far that I think
are legitimate areas of inquiry.
Wait a minute.
Let me finish.
Then you'll get to respond.
>> What are they?
>> The first is did you
misrepresent yourself in an
effort to gain access?
And the e-mail trail that I have
seen thus far I think raises
that as a legitimate question.
Hey, I like Donald Trump.
Hey, I want to humanize Donald
Trump.
I'm the guy that can change the
perceptions and combat the
negative media bias about him
seems the way in which you
represented yourself to get in
the door.
I think that is a legitimate
area of inquiry.
Let me finish.
I promise you'll finish.
>> Let's itemize this.
>> And the second area of
inquiry --
>> I have liked Donald Trump.
I was interested in humanizing
him.
I was -- I do set out to change
perceptions which actually I
might have succeeded at.
But, yes, go on.
>> In other words, when you said
I might be able to change
perceptions of him, you meant to
the negative?
>> This is what a writer does.
It would be of no value if I
went in to this and I did not
change perceptions.
I might -- I was perfectly
willing --
>> I don't know.
>> I was perfectly willing to
change perceptions in a positive
way.
>> You are a far more successful
writer than I will ever be.
I know that when I write e-mails
seeking interviews, my word
choice is to say, I will treat
the individual with dignity and
respect.
I never go so far as to say let
me humanize.
You know like the person.
I'm the one who can change the
perceptions.
I just found it unusual.
You get the final word.
>> This is -- read my book.
That's all I have.
That is my final word.
>> Okay.
And I did and I just think it
BIGS interesting questions as to
on what grounds were you able to
pull up that sofa in the west
wing.
>> I thought you were just
giving me the final word.
>> Okay.
>> Anyway.
So now let me take the final
word.
>> Go ahead.
>> It's just the book.
I have written the book.
You either like it or you don't
like it.
So far it quite seems that many,
many, many, many people do like
it and it speaks to them.
Final word.
Thank you very much.
>> Michael, wait a minute.
I read it.
>> Where is my final word?
>> I enjoyed reading it.
I read it and enjoyed it.
Can you do both.
You can both enjoy reading the
will book and question some of
the content.
That's my point.
And I thank you.
>> Yes.
Please.
So you got the final word.
>> Okay.
What are your thoughts?
Tweet me or go to my Facebook
page.
I'll read some responses
throughout the course of the
program.
What do we have, Catherine?
Do you think trump did this to
stop the coverage of the book
"Fire & fury"?
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