How much of this do you think
is a global immigration problem?
People fail to address
Radical Islam as an issue,
and they compare it to Nazi Germany,
which is a total warped perspective
to try to compare the two and
there is a threat of terrorism
from certain countries in the Middle East,
so obviously that should be dealt with.
But everyone wants to have open borders
and let in it lots of immigration,
but what is the real plan behind that?
Is that just because they can get
more votes to a certain party?
Well, it certainly worked in the case
of Labour in London and places like that.
Of that was no doubt.
It's interesting isn't it?
That a lot of the youth,
who are going out for ANTIFA
for behaving in a very intolerant and bad way,
a lot of them actually believe,
genuinely believe,
in open global borders.
They actually have been taught to believe
to believe this stuff is right.
Whether it's money from George Soros,
or quite how we've reached this pass,
but they are quite a lot of them
that genuinely believe in that.
And that of course turns on it's head
any sense of normality.
So what we have to argue,
those on my side of the fence,
is actually guys,
just get some sense of
historical perspective.
Just look at how nations
organize, adapt and run themselves.
And what we're advocating isn't extreme.
What we're advocating is normality.
What you're advocating actually is the aberration
because historically this is not the way we manage things.
It's not the way we organize.
It's not the way we do things.
And I think that
I think that growing fear of international terror
begins to make these arguments more logical
to a broader public
so I think that
we will win this argument despite the nasty words
that are being thrown in this.
I think that you brought up an important point.
History.
And now the left or the Liberals mentality or mindset
is trying to rewrite history.
Terrifying.
We've seen this before.
Terrifying.
The Statue Wars.
They're tearing down the statues.
I've heard that they were going
to tear down the Lincoln Memorial.
They want to tear down the Jefferson Memorial.
Well, no doubt Washington, D.C. is going to have to
be renamed because Washington had slaves didn't he?
Honestly this is the one area in which
America has gone further than the UK.
The disease is even worse here.
It's bonkers!
(laughing)
Yeah, when it comes to tr bonkers!
It comes to trying to rewrite history.
If you live in a society where people start
to rewrite history,
you are heading towards totalitarianism.
You are heading towards a lack of freedom of speech.
You are headed towards a very bad place,
and it is important for people,
not just Conservatives,
but people very middle-of-the-road people,
very important people to stand up and fight against this.
This is a very, very bad trend.
It's dangerous.
Now we've seen this where?
We've seen this with Mussolini.
We've seen this with the World Wars.
All the great totalitarian.
Franco
All the great
totalitarian regimes. And Spain.
All rewrite history books.
It's what all of them do.
They've always done it.
They rewrite the history books,
and they control the universities.
Stalin realized how important all this was,
and he did it,
and we're allowing it to be done to us.
Yeah, this is crazy.
We're allowing it to be done to us.
So what do you think the way forward for that would be?
Well I think,
as I say I think
making this an electoral issue,
challenging those who wear their liberalism on their sleeve
in public to defend this stuff and what's going on.
I think we've got to do that.
We've got to take the fight back to the other side,
and you can't take the fight back to those who want
to throw rocks at you,
but you can take the fight back
to those who are in the positions of authority,
who are standing for office of any kind.
We've got to make this an issue.
We've gotta make getting back to proper
democratic values a real debate.
Now that said,
if we look at,
everybody is against Trump obviously,
because he's an outsider.
He doesn't fill the cesspool
of corruption in Washington with hoses
filled with cash and filling of coffers,
and he's upending the status quote.
So the Republicans like Bob Corker,
and most of the establishment,
Mitch McConnell,
will do anything it takes to make sure nothing
he does succeeds and create gridlock.
So, here's who's against him
The Republicans,
the Democrats,
Hollywood and the media.
Who's for him?
America and everyday Americans are for him.
So this is a big problem.
Hollywood influences a lot.
Look at the late night talk shows.
Yes I mean,
they do have an influence,
and clearly they have a massive following.
But ultimately don't you think in the end,
most people will discern between what purports to be comedy,
and what I mean,
do we not vote for people
because jokes are made about them?
I'm not so sure we do.
I'm not so worried about that.
To me the biggest worry,
on both sides of the pond,
the biggest worry is not the media.
The biggest worry is not the opposition.
The biggest worry is not socialism.
The biggest worry are those who masquerade as Conservatives
within Conservative Parties and are doing their damnedest
to stop Brexit and to stop Trump.
They're the real enemy and I wonder over here,
I wonder whether Alabama perhaps,
points a little way.
Right.
And it may have been unfair
on Luther Strange for all I know,
but things work out the way they do.
But the appointee of the establishment of the
Republican Party got beat in that primary by the outsider.
And as the Republicans get themselves ready
for the mid-terms etcetera,
I wonder,
are we gonna see a lot more Alabamas?
'Cause if we do see a lot more Alabamas,
then what that means is that the President
will have a lot more genuine friends on Capitol Hill.
Which is necessary.
It's totally necessary.
Well, it's necessary to get policy through,
but it's also necessary because Trump has
a bond of trust with a lot of those voters,
many of whom have not voted for many many years
in elections but turned out for this because
they thought it really mattered.
And they've gotta see some bang for their buck basically.
But what's happened though,
is in the last 30 years of Neo-Liberalism,
we've had politicians being elected to office to further
their position when they get out of office,
and enrich themselves financially.
So, their goals are to represent the oligarchs
or the special interests who can fund them once
they get out of office.
And unfortunately,
Well their goal's the careerism.
Whether it's political careerism or whether
it may be what comes afterwards,
but it's about careerism.
Of course that's right.
And so we see fewer people
in politics than they would genuinely.
That's what people are waking up to.
They are.
And it's a good thing.
And I also think,
and certainly I talk from both sides of the pond,
I think increasingly
voters are looking for a bit of authenticity.
And the fact that an individual is flawed,
well you know what?
Voters are flawed too.
Absolutely.
We're kind of sick of this veneer of perfection
that we've been getting from out political leaders over
the course of the last few decades.
We just want real people, warts and all.
Right.
What are you greatest hopes for the future?
My greatest hopes for the future,
from the United Kingdom perspective,
is we finally get Brexit done.
We will get Brexit done,
public opinion has passed the point of no return.
The politicians may delay it for years,
we may be frustrated,
but my real hopes for the future
are that we get Brexit done and that we are able
to use that ability of self-government to become
a genuine,
exciting,
global,
trading nation,
low cost,
low regulation.
That's what I want to see for my country.
My hopes for the future globally,
are that the movement that I have now been a big part of,
the movement that says the nation state
is the right building block,
democracy is the right model,
and that if you have that and you have profound friendships,
and working relationship between,
and countries respect each other as neighbors,
that actually we can as the West,
work together cooperatively very much more effectively
against the great threats that
our childrens' generations are gonna face.
Radical Islamic terrorism,
North Korea,
all North Koreas,
and all those kind of things.
I want to see a West where strong nation states,
are like neighbors living in the street,
working together,
acting out for each other,
but having the guts to confront the problems that
are coming down the track 'cause they're coming.
Fantastic.
What are your biggest fears besides the debt that we have?
The debt tsunami that we have?
I'm worried about the debt tsunami,
but I'm also worried in the context,
not for America I'm pleased to say,
but I'm worried for a lot of Europe that
the immigration policies of the last few years
are gonna lead to societies that are increasingly divided
and to a breakdown of the concept of community.
They can't measure everything in terms of GDP or money.
There is a sense of belonging,
and being,
and identifying with your town,
or your city,
or your village.
And you're a part of it and you want to do stuff for it.
When I see the division that I'm seeing in much of Europe,
It doesn't have to be religion because
there's no reason why actually,
the moderate strains of Islam
can't work with Christians,
and Hindus and everybody else.
But we have to tackle this threat of Radical Islam
which has lead to effectively a fifth column
living within our own countries and that's my big fear
is that that goes on getting worse.
And finally we'll speak about the EU a bit
and what's going on in Spain.
I think the EU is a failed project.
I don't think it would ever work.
You don't have the central treasury mechanism
that can control it's member states.
And without that,
it's very difficult to determine.
You have the profligate southern Europeans on one track,
and Germany is a financial powerhouse.
Well I'd even go back a step from that Mitch.
I'd think about something even more fundamental.
The economic argument,
Sovereignty?
The economic argument you make is absolutely right,
but there is a more fundamental point called consent.
No one is giving consent.
Nobody in Europe has said,
I'll tell you what we'll do,
we'll get a bunch of unelected old men in Brussels,
(Mitch laughing)
and we'll put them in charge of our future,
and we'll jolly well make sure that
none of us can ever vote to change who any of them are.
It is nuts!
you can't vote for any of them in either, they're appointed.
It's nuts it's nuts.
This does not have consent.
It therefore does not have legitimacy.
And what we're seeing with Catalonia,
and even with the Brexit negotiations,
we're seeing Brussels acting in it's own interests.
I'm talking about wages,
salaries,
pensions,
16 percent top rated tax,
and we're seeing Brussels acting for itself.
That a European commission
who interfere in judicial appointments in Poland,
in border defenses and migration in Hungary,
in virtually anything the Brits
have ever done for the last 30 years,
who interfere in everything,
who are the first to scream
"We are the organization that defends human rights,
we are the progressives on the world stage, "
to have one of their own member states
send 10,000 police to use violence against people
who just went out on a Sunday morning to express an opinion,
and all the European Union could say
when people like me pushed them "necessary force was used."
Already told you all you need to know.
And it says that the seeds for
it's destruction are being sown.
And you know, I want to say to everybody,
Be careful of the big idea.
Be careful of the easy solution to everything.
'Because Communism was based
on some lovely ideas and look where it finished.
And Euro-Federalism was based on
no more war,
prosperity for all,
and it's turning into a monster.
It's very 1984-ish if you think about it.
I'm afraid it is,
I'm afraid it is.
But if you look,
how much did they spend
for that glitzy new building is Brussels?
Oh look it's billions. -
(Mitch laughing)
I don't know.
I've given up,
it's irrelevant now,
and it's not their money anyway.
I mean they've got an annual budget
of a 120 billion a year,
and they spend it on whatever they spend it on.
But if you're one of the 25,000 people
in Brussels working for the European Commission,
what's not to like?
Right exactly.
So I've been living in the UK for 20 years now,
and I consider myself fairly in the know
with European politics,
UK politics,
and US politics.
I can't name all the EU presidents.
How many are there?
I gave a speech once
(Mitch laughing)
in the EU Parliament and I said,
I said we got a permanent president of the European Council
that we've been given but we still have a rotating president
for each six months for each member state.
We have a president for the European Parliament,
and we have a president of the European Commission.
And in this parliament,
there are a whole series of presidents.
I said I'm even a president!
(laughing)
I asked what is the collective noun for presidents?
Well I just decided,
it's an incompetence.
(laughing)
It's ridiculous.
It's a ridiculous labyrinthine structure,
and it is the whole,
It is the whole
Not just lack of democratic accountability of the system,
it's the fact that this new form of government,
with it's flag,
and it's anthem,
and it's police force,
and it's army that it want to complete
It's opaque right?
Yeah and never was this explained
to the peoples of Europe,
and ultimately,
ultimately you cannot say to people,
"This is now your identity.
This is who you're now going to be."
'Cause at the end of the day,
it's how they feel themselves.
You know what I think best summarizes this?
Is if you look at the Euro-Notes,
you know the buildings?
Those buildings?
The Bridge to Nowhere.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the Bridge to Nowhere and fake
buildings that are nowhere.
Yeah, sums it up beautifully.
Anyway Brexit was the first brick
that's been knocked out of the wall,
and I will say this.
I wasn't just against the UK
being a member of the European Union.
I want Europe to leave the European Union.
They've hijacked the word,
they've hijacked the concept.
Europe is about incredibly diverse,
different states,
cultures,
economies,
peoples,
histories,
cheeses.
Europe is this amazing diverse place,
and actually provide that it's built
on solid democratic foundations within each member state,
it'll be great.
Right with it's own sovereignty,
liberty.
It'll be great. Absolutely.
Well, thanks for coming to talk to us today.
Thank you.
Okay great.
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