fantastic show for you tonight with so much news I don't know how we're gonna
get it all fit in president Trump is once again attacking the media this time
over the White House counsel's interview with the Muller probe did dawn McGann
turn on the president I don't think so we'll tell you the real story in just a
few minutes while many Democrats are calling for ice to be abolished
President Trump was honoring the heroes of ice and Border Patrol at the White
House today the latest controversy though iced taking heat for arresting an
international murder suspect unbelievable details coming up plus a
new wave of violence sweeping Chicago over the weekend and you won't believe
how city officials are responding now but first our top story Donald Trump
versus John Brennan jut last week the White House announced that Trump had
stripped Obama CIA director turned left-wing cable news pundit John Brennan
of his security clearance how dare he do that Brennan isn't going away quietly
threatening legal action and doubling down on his most outrageous claims
I called his behavior treasonous which is to betray one's trust and to aid and
abet the enemy and I stand very much by that claim I have seen the lights
blinking red in terms of what mr. Trump has done and is doing and is bringing
this country down on the global stage and he's fueling and feeding
divisiveness within our country he continually lies the American people the
types of things that he's doing I think I need to speak out and so I've been
speaking out rather forcefully because I believe it's important to do so I don't
believe I'm being political at all I'm not a Republican I'm not a Democrat not
being political right president Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani struck back at
Brennan's a political claim earlier tonight John Brennan was not a
particularly distinguished anything he was a political operative
he hasn't been an intelligence officer in a long time he's been a political
hitman his language demonstrates that the president committed treason
treason come on well Brennan might want to be careful because it's not just
Trump's allies that are criticizing him now
well there are intelligence officials who are uncomfortable with how far
Brennan has not I think Mayo John is sort of like a freight train and he's
gonna say what's on his mind I think though that the common denominator among
all of us that have been speaking up though is genuine concern about the
Jeopardy or threats to our institutions and values and although we may express
that in in different ways and I think that's what this this really is about
but John and his rhetoric have become I think an issue in and of itself yeah
they have become an issue joining me now for reaction are dawn Dan Hoffman a Fox
News contributor a former CIA station chief chris swagger former assistant FBI
director and roger fisk former aide to Secretary of State John Kerry and a
Democratic strategist Roger I want to go to you first give you the first shot at
this treason do we really think that says
treasonous to do this types of thing well mr. Brennan is you know perfectly
capable of speaking for himself so I don't feel like I need to amplify or
defend his points but you think what can you defend you this point or are you
supportive of is the point I mean probably a finger for your opinion of
and he's making you know the the penalty for treason is death so do you really
believe that the president is being treasonous I I again mr. Brennan can
quantify this or classify it however they lie beside it it's it's it's it's
up to him to speak for himself I think what's really interesting is how many
other folks that normally don't speak out publicly at all are willing to join
into this conversation and I think people should take notice of that so I
mean I take it for that that really isn't a defense to go that far Chris
legally the president can take away a security clearance right I mean is there
is there any judge in the world that's gonna say no the president
doesn't have the authority to take away somebody's security clearance
yeah they act like there's some sort of property right to keep a security
clearance post government work and there is no such thing I mean what he's doing
is irresponsible and selfish because it make he is identified with the
intelligence community you know I was a member of that and it makes it makes all
of us look like a bunch of partisan hacks when he goes off you know in every
direction spewing all this vitriol it really reflects poorly on the
intelligence community people sit back and say well now we know what he was
thinking back when he was the head of the CIA
it just doesn't reflect well no I do I think it I think I think it does
undercut the credibility of an agency that prides itself on being a
nonpartisan and in a political Newt Gingrich was on Fox & Friends this
morning let's listen to his point of view Indiana I'd like you to react to it
how would you like to have a Director of Central Intelligence so lacking in
common sense that he thinks he can write a tweet accusing the president of the
equivalent of treason high crimes and misdemeanors and then explain that he's
really not political look John Brennan is totally political he was basically a
toady to President Obama he participated in
lying to the American people about what happened in Libya and Benghazi and
frankly Brennan should never have been director of the Central Intelligence Dan
what's your reaction is Newt Gingrich the speaker I was he correct I think so
I mean we've got troops in Syria and Afghanistan we've got some we got Dan
gets in there okay yeah thanks a couple points here John Brennan has made some
outrageous claims including that Vladimir Putin could blackmail president
Trump and he called President Trump guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors
after the Helsinki summit if John Brennan really believes these things I
think he would have been better off as a professional intelligence officer rather
than saying this on MSNBC or writing it in the press he might have gone straight
to the special counsel and explained what his concerns were but the problem
is that it's not just our own citizens who are listening to John Brennan there
are foreign governments and foreign spies stealing secrets
our behalf who are going to believe that that John Brennan knows something that
maybe we don't and their trust in our government is going to be degraded our
national security as a result will be impacted negatively the second point I
would make quickly is that those who signed this letter might question
whether they want to be tethered to John Brennan who's really kind of the weak
link in this chain here he's not a credible witness and I think that those
who were concerned about the security clearance issue and maybe feel like the
CIA who held Brennan's clearance should have been responsible for either
revoking it or not I think their argument is really damaged because so
again Brennan is just not a credible witness at all
so Roger does he does then make a point here that is we undercut the credibility
with our foreign adversaries of a sitting president doesn't that concern
you at all I think it does but there's plenty of things to concern me in that
same realm the president leaking intelligence that we got from Israeli
sources to the Russian ambassador in the Oval Office whatever happened in the two
hours in Helsinki this I think which concern you wait why did sudden why do
suddenly Democrats get concerned with that the idea that the president is
engaging in diplomacy is something that I've always thought that Democrats
engaged in and supported and then brought up Donald Trump does it and
suddenly he's criticized for it well I've actually been in those rooms I'm
assuming some of the rest of the panel have as well and probably you as well
congressman but there's always no takers there's always interpreters there's
always some kind of official record and it's it's no accident that as soon as
Helsinki was over we come home from that and then there's the announcement that
there's not going to be readouts from phone calls with foreign leaders so I
think I agree with the instincts about being concerned about what's going on
I think the Brennan Trump thing is kind of taken on its own life in the last 48
hours that I don't think anyone is necessarily proud of our happy with but
if one is if one has the instincts and the antenna for being concerned about
national security I wouldn't put in mr. Brennan and his
actions in the last four or five days at the top of that list yeah I I would
because I think he uses that as a tool for his own personal political gain and
financial game that's my own personal printing but Chris it begs the question
why do people in perpetuity continue to get security clearances after they leave
office I mean it's expensive to do right but
what what is this really justified in this day and age I don't think so I
think there are far too many people post government service who retain their
clearances they're expensive they've got to do reinvestigations periodically and
it really the test is or the criteria is is it is it in the best interest of the
government that for them to keep their clearances and I would say the number of
people that can retain those clearances the answer is no it's a commercial gain
for them not so much benefit to the government and the cost is exorbitant my
understanding is that I think it was some 15,000 dollars to reap and do this
and you really ought to go back to what senator Patrick mining from New York did
some 27 years ago he spearheaded a commission that said when everybody has
a security clearance nobody has a security clearance when everything's
classified nothing is classified and what I would really like to see actually
is the government in a bipartisan way to have Trump and the speaker and the
majority leader appoint a bipartisan panel to review this whole thing soup to
nuts top to bottom and come up with a real solution because we got to get on
both sides of the aisle take the politics out of it and figure this out
now dan I got to ask you we've had some terrific things that Brennan has done in
taking away security clearances what do you say to those men and women who were
saying in Benghazi or other places and they see this Brennan out there spewing
what he's feeling today I'll be honest I don't think it impacts
our intelligence community at all we've historically and I think it carries on
today we're just we just don't pay attention to those things John Brennan
can say what he wishes but there's no impact on the men and women of the CIA
who were just going about their jobs focused on the mission focused on on
recruiting spies and stealing secrets even those even though John Brennan
didn't like to say that we steal secrets that's what we do and right all-source
analysis so the president can make educated foreign policy decisions and I
think John Brennan is bringing dishonor on himself but I I really don't think
he's impacting the intelligence unity in the league well good I hope
he's a hundred percent right and the men and women who are serving in our
intelligence services can't thank them enough for the great work and I hope
these little sideshows that this former director had put in place are dismissed
for the shenanigans that they are gentlemen I thank you for joining us
tonight the media overhyped yet another leak in the Muller probe we'll have the
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