You have this already I'm so sitting down and getting ready. Thanks, buddy
Sorry to get you by surprise Rudy Guiliani says that the president says do not pay with cash
Use a check now we didn't have this sweetened with an audio expert
Rudy Giuliani says he did but here's one point the Trump Organization put out a statement and said that cash is being used as a
Financing term not a reference to green money whether you're paying in a one-time payment or overtime
Financing now if that's true, then why would Trump say the word check? Yeah now it is true
No payment was ever made of any kind
So this is about intentions and credibility and this idea that you're going to hear what you want to hear
This is a tricky one you and I both know Michael Cohen. That was Trump's God
He had a lot of debt with the Trump base
So will they just not believe him out of allegiance to Trump when this is someone they also used to believe well
I think that's that's a very good position very good questions to ask because you asked a number of questions here
Um will his base believe this because we meet the Access Hollywood tape and that was before the election. He still became president
He's remember Air Force One where he said? Oh, you'll have to ask my attorney. No, I didn't know about it weeks later
Admits that he knew about it. So
Will it make a difference?
with the people who support him who have believed him or the people he's lied to which is the American people or
What does that mean for him? Legally you said what's that?
you don't think that we should focus on the legal part, but if you'll just indulge me for a moment here, I
Don't know. It's not illegal to tape someone in New York one Ward party consensus one party
It could be unethical for an attorney
Visa fee the Bar Association. That's a separate conceived inif
He even if they gave up the privilege and they said you can release it. How is that illegal?
That's then that adds a layer to the analysis about whether or not it was privileged
But there could still be an ethical duty to notify a client
But that I'm saying don't just look about criminality as the only bar of evaluation, you know telling the truth
What is the truth were you acting in an up-and-up way or were you being shady? They may not be illegal
Actions, but it doesn't mean that they're irrelevant to the people that you government. Well, this is your scoop, right?
So I want you to I want to play it if you don't mind and you stick around and go over
Hearing it for themselves in this yours now
And then I have some new information that I got from people who are close to Michael Cohen and before landing left the studio
I asked him to respond to it and I'm gonna give that response
So let's play it and then you and I will talk here it is
Okay
Oh
Maybe because of this it would be better if you didn't go, you know, maybe because of this
For that one, you know
Get rid of this because it's so folks with this insane bullshit
I
Think I think this goes away quickly. I think what I think it's probably better do the Jolson thing just this time
Yeah in two weeks, it's fine. I think right now it's better, you know. Okay, you take care of yourself. Thanks, Pamela
Yeah, I'm prepping it so
It's a quick poll back away seen a great home making progress big time and you guys are good, man
Hope esta Scotland booze. No, let's just go. What's what so no. Thanks. Can we use him anymore?
Oh, yeah 100. No you threatened mark burns. He we felt him. I don't
Know
You just let me have a chance here tonight here for you
So we got served from the New York Times I told you this will require a lot to unseal big divorce papers with Ivana
We're finding it taslitz it is going to
2016 made by Cohen in which he invents a candidate
Yes and discuss arranged for the surrounding area payment to the Playboy Playmate
Terrible, it's not that one could be opened. There's no there's no purpose for
talked about Charles think I
Need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David
You know so that I'm gonna do that right away. I've actually come up at me and I just poked into Alan
Why sober about how to set the whole thing up?
So they funding that yes
And it's all the stuffing all the stuff because here you never know where that company
You never know what he's gonna he gets it, correct?
So I'm I'm all over that and I spoke to Alan about it when it comes time for the financing
Which will be you listen what my name's won't have to pay yourself. I
Got no
For it. Hmm, so you
Said you hear it with your own ears there. I'm sure there's a dispute about what happened
Giuliani is saying he's saying no pay with the check, but that's not what you hear on the tape
That's the pertinent part of the tape and let me remind the viewers. This was two months before the election
What do you say Chris? I?
Say that
You don't look at it just in terms of whether a crime was committed
This is about who's telling the truth in this matter and their two main questions one
Did the president know about the arrangements that his lawyer was making?
surrounding the payment to Karen McDougal and maybe other
assets, he says the other things we have to buy them all because and then Trump says maybe he gets hit by train talking about
David pecker are the head of the Enquirer at the time and by the way, I make no suggestion or allegation against mr. Pecker
I'm not in any way suggesting. He did anything wrong. It's just the truth of the matter asserted on this tape
So number one, is that the president note and the second one is the idea of what was going on with his intentionality
Did he want this done on the up-and-up the way his legal team asserts that he did or what was he saying paid with cash?
And not do not pay with cash and then the Trump Organization argument
I just don't understand it. If he was talking finance turns. Why would he then mention a check check, right?
What is open it? What does that mean? I'm glad you said that one more time one more time
I want the people in the back to hear this
So pay close attention and then Chris and I will talk on the other side listen to this
And I've spoken to Allen Lysa birth about how to set the whole thing up with
Funding that. Yes
And it's all the stuffing all the stuff because here you never know where that company. You never know what he's gonna get
Correct. So I'm I'm all over that and I spoke to Alan about it when it comes time for the financing which will be equally
what we'll have to
do so I
Got no, not yet
so Chris what it sounds like he's saying all the stuff that
ami have
In case I think he's saying it's inaudible in case Packer or someone whoever they're working with gets hit by a bus or something
Then all this information is still there for the world to see and whoever takes over next can release it
They want to make sure they get all of it
Before something happens and again if you're saying we need to pay by cash
Or you want to pay by check the check would seem like they would be financing it right? No the
Financing was an awkward. You were used by Coen I think to legitimize the conversation frankly
cash check just shows that the president was open to paying and we want people to know about it and look I mean
Why would just do the corporate entity in the first place if that's what you wanted now, is that illegal? Nope, and
Bad facts for anybody who wants to make it about illegal conduct. There was never any transaction
So the corporation was set up but they never bought back the assets
What I'm calling the assets, which are these potentially bad stories for Trump?
But I just think it's about the truth and this idea that you're gonna look at it depending on whether you like Trump or not
That's yes, it's just about what you believe to be true or not
And what you can prove is true and that's why we just played it straight
I didn't even put up any translation of it because I don't want to put words into people's head
You hear it for yourself. This will be chewed on but it doesn't matter whether you left or right on this
It's just being reasonable hearing what you hear and thinking about it in context. Why would call and say
No, no, no, no, no, no note the wait, right?
Right and you know and making that decision in real time
As someone the Saints saying something when you said you didn't put up a transcription of it
I remember sitting here
the night Donald Trump said to me she had blood coming out of her eyes blood coming out of her wherever and I I
In that moment. I said, what do I say here?
Do I put words in his mouth or in the viewers Minds or do I just let his words stand on their own?
those are decisions that you have to make and I think it was very important for you just to play it and let people
Hear for themselves. What face what was said, but I want I do want to go back to this a.m
I think about buying everything out because this wasn't just about
MacDougall was it was this about other people who had called in trying to catch on the face of
What we hear the answer is no it was not just about Karen McDougal
I asked Lanny Davis and he rightly skirted the question
He said, you know, I've got my own privilege issues with my client Michael Cohen. I can't answer that
Yeah, but why would Michael Cohen if you play it again?
He says no
We have to get all of the things and then they have the discussion of a god forbid something happens to mr. Becker
So it wasn't just one thing. What are the things that they have?
I got to put you know, we have to put the response of Chris
So here's your full screen of what the Trump team is saying
That he said on tape if we had that this is their version of the transcript they say this is the transcript
Yeah, they're saying he said well and you're gonna pay in with something and then Donald Trump says don't pay with cash check
I mean, he says no, no. No, I got it. No
but he says but
Nowhere in there whether it says Michael Cohen says cash
You hear Michael Cohen?
Clearly say Michael Cohen never says cash and what I hear and I know check we hear him saying check
I never hear Michael Cohen say cash or check. I hear Donald Trump say cash. I've gotta check now the Trump Organization
They have this
Reckoning that Trump was using some type of term of art about how to pay for things and not talking about green money again
Then why did he mention a check if he was talking about a full payment or you know prorated or staggered payments?
He wouldn't have said check. Yeah. So listen, I spoke with some of Michael Cohen Scranton question tonight
I just want to read it specifically here that says
His friends say it certainly looks like he wants to tell the truth to the most important person in America right now
Who is seeking the truth about Trump? And you know, who that is that smaller?
So I asked lanny davis when he was on your set. I said, please come see me
I want to ask you about something that I heard he said
He said I can't answer that question
there is a reason though that I keep saying the truth is on our side and
Who most wants to hear the truth from Michael Cohen?
And he said so I have to leave it at that and leave it on the answers. Look Lanny Davis is a very talented
Advocate he's certainly a way better lawyer than I am which is why we got to do so much more homework here
But I will talk to mother about what you know mother is investigating
Russian attacks on our democracy and anybody who helped him
Anyone who helped in those efforts? So what what does go and have on any of that?
I mean, that's the question this has nothing to do with
What most yeah, I think this in its one more. It's just an indication that he wants to if he has something
Flip on Trump and go to the special prosecutor and tell him what he knows
Means and although Dershowitz, you know again another is so much more talented Lee
I've been mine, but he said oh, yeah, this shows that he's going to flip flip on what he hasn't been charged with anything
He may not be charged with anything
Look, you know you have your own relationship with Michael Cohen, and I have had some wars with him when I was at new day
But you know
I think that he has a tough battle in front of him PR wise because he is known to the American people as
Donald Trump's boy who fought against him attacked his enemies and would do anything for him and now
His theory is I had to tape him ethical or unethical cuz I had to protect myself
He could have just not done whatever he thinks he needed protection from so he's got some work to do
When it comes to winning over I think the American audience and the truth may set him free again depending on which state you're in
The United States it may be legal or maybe not and may not be legal
It is legal in New York here in New York to record someone without them knowing it only the person doing the recording
Has to know Chris. Thank you so much. I'll see you tomorrow. Great job
Let's bring in now Cena's White House correspondent Caitlin Collins in a contributor John Dean Michael Isikoff
the chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News and the co-author of Russian roulette the inside story of Putin's war on America and the election of
Donald Trump good evening to all of you. So you've heard the conversation. We want to play more of the tape John Dean
I'm so glad you're here because you have gone through this before
a snippet of the tape John Dean and I will talk as well as the rest of the panel right after this lapses and
I've spoken to Alan weiselberger about how to set the whole thing up with
Funding
Yes
And it's all the stuffing all the stuff because here you never know where that company
You never know what he's gonna hit he gets it, correct
So I'm I'm all over that and I spoke to Alan about it when it comes time for the financing which will be listen
What financing we all have to?
do so I
Got no no chip
so John
Michael Cohen had said at one point that he wanted to be the John Dean of this story. What's your reaction to this tape Jame?
Well, it's interesting. I'm somebody who's listened to an awful lot of tapes
Back in the Nixon era and more recently
thousands of them
For Nixon's conversations every conversation. He did on Watergate
The only way you can really hear a tape is with a foot pedal where you can reverse and listen and listen and listen
Each time I've listened to this tape. I've heard something different or a little bit more
And what it does to me is if he wants to do what I did
Having to take to back you up is certainly a nice
I didn't know tapes were there I suspected they were there but didn't know initially when I broke rank and
started talking
midway through my after my testimony is when the tapes came out, but I think this does
put the lie to the Trump people on their version of this story as I hear it it certainly
Comports with what Michael has been saying. So this bolsters his truth
So Lanny Davis was on with Chris moments ago
and he said you
the
Trump and the people have been telling you that he didn't know about this and and on and on and on and of course the
statement tonight you see what they said what they their version of what they hear on the tape, but
Do you think?
How much of this will make a difference does it matter it in the court of public opinion most?
Does it matter in the court of law most how much of a play does this tape have in any of that?
You want my reaction? Yeah
My reaction is we're just getting to know who Michael is Michael Cohen
And this is one of the introductions that's why you have to see hired Lanny Davis who's very good with the media
And he will expose us more and more to Michael who doesn't have a good reputation going into this situation
I think that this is a sort of thing that will start to rehabilitate that that he's a man who wants to tell the truth
and
He's showing how they have tried to distort his
Positions even before he's come out and said of word
So I think this helps in that regard you're saying a foot pedal in the old days. That's what happens
You have to rewind and use the foot pedal, but I mean Lenny Davis again on CNN saying over and over listen to this
It's no use but battle yeah, listen to this
Yourself and you come up with what you what you believe is being said there. So Caitlyn, what does this relate?
What does this release the release of this tape mean for the president? What's the response there anything?
Well, Don, there's no response yet
But it means the White House won't be able to deny that the president was well aware and involved in these discussions
About paying someone to stay silent about her allegations of an affair with the president
Which is something they've done in the past
they did it very adamantly with stormy Daniels as you'll recall and that
Really blew up the new face of a lot of White House officials who had maintained that the president had no idea about that
payment nothing to do with it and then Rudy Giuliani his attorney went on television and said
Actually the President did know about it and he helps facilitate that payment by repaying Michael Cohen
You have noticed that in the weeks that they've been asked about Karen McDougal this woman who?
Alleges she had an affair a long-standing affair with the president
The White House has not issued those kind of defenses of the president
Just this way sara sanders was asked if the president maintains he did not have an affair with Karen McDougal
Sara sanderson did not say no which was very telling in and of itself instead
She says that the president maintains he's done nothing wrong, and then she referred questions to Rudy Giuliani
it seems that the White House has learned that they got burned after they said the president doesn't know anything about story Daniel's then they
Found out he did they are not issuing that same kind of defense when it comes to Karen McDougal. Okay, so, mr. Isikoff all along
The president has denied the affair
through his spokespeople and
So on
So this tape appears and correct me if I'm wrong
Confirmation that he did have some sort of something with her and that he conspired with Michael Cohen to cover it up. I
Didn't hear any reference to Karen McDougal much less an affair with Karen McDougal on the tape. So
Obviously, there's a lot more that preceded this and a lot more that followed it and it's very hard from this somewhat ambiguous
Tape to draw any dramatic
Conclusions. Yeah, it does appear that Donald Trump uses the word cash
and
That is suggestive and may be
Embarrassing to the president although against all the other things, you know that the president has said that have been proven to be untrue
I'm not sure how much this stacks up legally
look, the only way this is a legal matter is
If this was somehow in the paper done
this in the context of the election and that payments were made that amounted to an
illegal campaign contribution for one thing
Apparently no money was paid at least not that we know and I certainly didn't hear any reference to the election on the tape
So as a legal matter, I'm just not quite sure what this adds up to. Yeah, this was shortly before the election
The timing is important as well timing is important, but you need to make a criminal case
You got to prove that was exactly what was on their mind
Katelyn, thank you very much Michael John. I want you to stick around
We've got much more on our breaking news tonight more revelations from the secret tape obtained exclusively by CNN of Canada Trump and Michael Cohen
Discussing how they would buy rights to a Playboy models story and what she says was an affair with Trump. We'll be right back
Now with our breaking news, it's a scene an exclusive the secret recording between then candidate Donald Trump and his attorney Michael Cohen
Discussing how they would buy the rights to a Playboy model story by her alleged affair with Trump years earlier that happened back in
2006 I want to bring him now. Again, Michael is a cop and John Dean John
Are you surprised the president's attorneys weighed attorney-client privilege on Trump's behalf regarding this recording the secret recording I?
think they were worried that it was going to come out come what may
They might have been worried about the potential of the crime fraud exception and to make sure that issue wasn't even litigated
They just put it out there feeling they could talk their way or walk their way around it
So I am not surprised they waive Nixon happened to wait with me before I testify
That was a smart move because the crime fraud situation certainly was there. Yeah
I want to just play again the pertinent part of this tape where they are discussing this payment listen
That's a great Pol Pot way seen a great poem think of that big time you guys are good
Hello pestis cottonwoods. No justice. No words. What?
Can we use him anymore? Oh, yeah, 100 million. I'm mark burns he
We got served from the New York Times I told you this we require to unseal the divorce papers with Ivana
We're fighting it
Catholics it's going to never
never never Tesla says don't ever be able they don't have a
They don't have a legitimate purpose a woman that doesn't want to correct something. Anyway, yes, and it's all
For about two three weeks now you have to do is delay influence even after that. It's not going to ever be opened
There's no there's no purpose for
talked about Charleston I
Need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David
You know so that I'm gonna do that right away. I've actually come up with me and I just felt into Alan
Why sober about how to set the whole thing up?
with a
funding
Yes
And it's all the stuffing all the stuff because here you never know where that company
You never know what he's good at. He gets it, correct
So I'm I'm all over that and I spoke to Alan about it when it comes time for the financing which will be awesome
We'll have to do something
I got no no J
Alright, so Michael here's this is a statement from Giuliani on Friday said Cowan is talking about buying the rights from ami American Media Inc
They're talking about a corporation doing it one of their corporations doing it
The president says make sure it's done correctly and make sure it's done by check. Is that what you hear Michael?
No, I did not that seems like creative interpretation of what was on the tape
But you know a couple things do leap out at you home seemed a little surprised
When I listen to it again
About financing what financing?
You know, I think his guard is up a little bit there wait, I'm gonna have to shell out for this
but you know look you want to know so much more about
Obviously conversations had to have preceded this about what all that other stuff was
You know, we don't know
But you know, I just want to come back to you know, as a legal matter
Because I do
You know, look there are serious questions whether this Justice Department given the existing
OLC opinion would ever charge the president with a crime anyway
but the only crime that's been identified in all of this so far is that
illegal campaign contribution issue and you know, like I said
I'm not sure this advances the ball much on that, you know, the other matter that you know struck me and listening to
Chris's interview with Lanny Davis
Was the one matter where : factors into the Russia?
Investigation were the quiz the claim that he flew to Prague and met with Russian operatives about paying off
hackers
Lani day even now when Michael Cohen is doing everything to
assert the truth and
And distance himself from Donald Donald Trump. I heard Lanny Davis say there was absolutely no truth to that
so in terms of the Russia investigation
Michael Cohen is not flip in a way that's going to help Robert Muller at least on that
Which was one of the more sensational allegations in the steel Valley a certain?
Listen, John the president reacted to the story that Michael Cohen had secretly taped him when it first came out. He tweeted this he said
inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer's office early in the morning almost unheard of
Even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client totally unheard of and perhaps illegal the good news
Is that your favorite President did nothing wrong?
So John, you know
We've said it before but it's worth saying again the president is wrong when he says the government broke into the lawyer's office
as a matter of fact Michael Cohen talked about how professional they were even thanked them when they left they
Even said they didn't break into his office
What do you make of this suite in light of what we've learned tonight? Because it's not illegal to tape someone in New York
So woody, that's correct. And is it do you think it's unethical you?
know something every time I've heard this tape, I
Have thought it is not a telephone conversation. We're listening to we hear him having a conversation on the side
Did we hear a lot of room noises?
We hear other people and name shouting and having a sort of a sub side conversation
I don't think this is a telephone conversation Don. I think that
He was recorded in his office
We think it was Oh in the office
But even so but that's even still if you're recording really it not I haven't looked up
I've not looked up the Caliph our third, New York law
I think one party can said I'm not an attorney but I think one party consent is one party consent no matter
And they're on the phone. There are some exceptions but this is in a room, right? This is bugging a room possibly
So that might raise a different issue if this is no telephone call it does raise also
New York is kind of confused the American Bar Association
now and said, it is not unethical for a lawyer to
record a conversation with a client
Unaware that if it's alright with the state law
New York City Bar came out against that ABA
Position and took exception to it. So there are ethical issues that he faces on this but again as I say
I really wonder if this is a telephone conversation
Yeah, it's interesting because it has been said that Donald Trump will record people in his office. What if these are his tapes?
Well, that's that's a possibility too. What do you think of that? He was aware
I'm not quite sure how the prosecutors would have gotten it or Lanny Davis would have gotten it
It is worth look when the first reports on this tape
Surfaced at the end of last week
It was not entirely clear where the tape how the tape had emerged who had leaked it
I think it's pretty clear. Now that it's Lanny Davis who was giving out the tape
He provided it to CNN and what that tells me is that
Michael Cohen does not yet have a deal with federal prosecutors
Because if he did this tape, we wouldn't be hearing this tape. The prosecutors would not want this tape out
this is a plea to get a deal for prosecutors and
Michael Cohen's legal team is putting it out there to sort of tantalize prosecutors telling them in effect
We can fill in all the blanks for you
So give us a deal
Michael John, thank you so much gentlemen, I appreciate it
We come back the Trump Organization responds to our CNN exclusive the Cowan Trump tape plus another scene
Exclusive why stormy Daniels lawyer Michael avenatti reportedly asked for a meeting with Michael Cohen was a settlement on the table
Michael avenatti is going to join me at the top of our next hour
The Trump Organization responding tonight to our CNN exclusive the Cohen Trump tape and we have another CNN exclusive tonight
It involves president Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen and store McDaniels lawyer Michael avenatti on a bring announcing a national political reporter
MJ Lee and CNN reporter Karis. Canal. Thank you so much for joining us. Listen Kara
I understand that the Trump Organization has responded to the release of the tape. What are they saying about?
That's right, Don
So the Trump Organization has told us in a statement tonight that when there's the reference to the word cash on the tape
Which itself is money it as you have explained that the reference is not to bags of cash
It's not to Green currency
But the Trump Organization is saying is that this would have been an all cat like a cash payment not a financing scheme
but it still would been followed through the proper protocol of
heavily lawyer documents
lawyers on both sides
negotiating the terms of this not that there are bags of cash walking around of course Lenny Davis made the reference that the only people
Who use cash are drug dealers and mobsters. So they're saying that this is not what it's talking about
It doesn't explain why we here or why Giuliani
Another Trump's lawyer is saying that the Trump used the word check
So that's an that's still a mystery and it's still bit muddy right in this context on so Kara, you know
We're gonna we're gonna speak to stormy Daniels attorney. Michael have an audience a little bit, but I know he's already responded to the situation
Specifically referencing Lanny Davis's interview on CNN earlier tonight
That's right, Don. So Michael Evan Nadi put out a statement on Twitter where he tweeted about this
Lanny Davis is coming
Of course avenatti is very interested in this because he represents stormy Daniel and they have sued Michael Cohen
So in this suite avenatti says, mr. Davis is a good lawyer, but as client, mr
Cohen is not innocent nor is he a victim? He's a co-conspirator
Dishonest thug who continues to refuse to come clean and do the right thing. They are playing you and aiming for a pardon
Where is the rest of the evidence and tape?
Interesting MJ to you now on the subject
I know we you have some new reporting about the proposed meeting between Michael avenatti and Trump's former. Lawyer Michael Cohen
What are you learning? So what we're learning? Is that stormy Daniels lawyer Michael avenatti
Requested a meeting with Michael Cohen and his lawyer last week
Discuss a possible settlement between : and the adult film star this is according to one of Cohen's lawyers Brent
Blakely just to remind everyone stormy Daniels
Says that she had an affair with Donald Trump in
2006 Michael : paid her a hundred and thirty thousand dollars before the 2016 election to keep quiet about that alleged affair
She's now suing president Trump as well as Michael Cohen now Blakeley this lawyer who is representing Cohen on the stormy Daniels related matters
he tells CNN exclusively today that avenatti asked Cohen and Blakely to meet in person in New York to discuss a settlement between
Daniels and Cohen now Blakely says a meeting was set for this week
But he subsequently canceled that meeting
After avenatti went on television this weekend and suggested that Cohen and his lawyers were going were open to cooperating with avenatti
So for nowt on that meeting seems to be off. So what is Ivan Addison?
well
Evan Atia is vehemently denying that he asked for a meeting to discuss the settlement but saying it is Blakely's
Blakely claim rather is completely false and designed to help Cohen get a pardon from mr
Trump now when we pressed him on the key question, which is whether he and his client stormy day
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