joining me now is one of the president's personal lawyers Rudy Giuliani mr. mayor
welcome the Fox News Sunday I understand you spoke with the president just a few
hours ago it's he too eager for this summit to happen well sure he is and I
think he's positioned it brilliantly even even even his his opponent study of
that I mean he he wouldn't submit to that ridiculous comment about a new
meeting on the nuclear battlefield he cancelled it and now we have kim
jung-han back where he was before talking about wanting to do it meeting
with the leader of South Korea so I don't want to raise expectations but I
think the president's strategy has played out really brilliantly and the
most remarkable thing he can do it with all these interruptions that I have to
bring to him in Sheikh Sekulow from you know this in this totally rigged
investigation yeah but did he express the level of optimism with you and just
back to my question is he too eager to make this summit happen well no I mean
now somebody chill we couldn't do it wouldn't turn wouldn't have turned it
down wouldn't have canceled it I mean he this he's playing this like Ronald
Reagan played Reykjavik and I think his achievement will be as great or greater
when it's all finished but let's hope okay it might take six months Reykjavik
didn't happen in a day you're right about that and there will be stops and
starts along the way and we should be certainly aware of all that but you said
the summit needs to be decided before the mulher matter moves forward so let's
move to the mother matter now this weekend you said you would not go
forward with Muller until you understand what was happening with an informant
with the Trump campaign so sir what was this person doing with the campaign well
I mean I don't know that yet I haven't been told that I mean it just further
reiterates what I've come to conclude after two months of being in this and
the president obviously knew from the from very early on which is this is a
rigged I mean you've got 13 Democrats you've got a focus on things that didn't
happen know Russia collusion know obstruction just defending yourself and
now we're we're into the basis of it being illegitimate professor Calabrese
his article just a few days ago about he's questioning whether there
should even be an investigation because of the fact that they switched over from
counterintelligence to criminal and we don't I want to know did they get any
evidence in that counterintelligence probe I think they didn't so you know
you say don't think they did or they did not as you just referred to there do you
have that on good information because there were two classified briefings just
on Thursday of this week and I'm told no documents were shown no one's talked
about the briefing there was a short statement that was given by Adam Schiff
and he read that off of a piece of paper so what can you learn or perhaps now
what do you know about this informant well what I know is just where I
speculate not anything that's been said to me no one has shared it with me I'm
positive they shared it with the president but probably at this point
it's better than we don't know we have to know however before we can recommend
to the president whether to be interviewed when you look at the
backdrop of this rigged investigation when you look at how they treated
metaphor how they spun off into Cohen how they had chasing things in in the
Middle East I mean the reality is we're not going to sit him down if this is a
trap for perjury and until what convinced of that and if they don't show
us these documents what we just gonna have to say no let me emphasize he wants
to explain that he did nothing wrong it's us the lawyers who have to convince
him that this is a trap so take us inside that meeting with the president
then what do you tell him what does he ask you well what is that interchange
right first of all my job has been to try and negotiate grounds for an
interview and we've been doing it I mean we have a team now not only with Jay but
with with Jan Raskin and Marty Raskin she's taken the she's taken the load
really of doing the negotiating with with the mullah people but the reality
is that we've all become convinced even though we began with the hope that it
can be done in good faith that there's too much here now some of it is mullahs
fault some is it the whole whole thing with this
investigation that was going on which which we consider spying was done before
mullah got involved but it completely taints his investigation entirely you
believe yeah I mean what's the you got to ask what's the basis of the
investigation that and how about a leak Comey report that turns out to come from
a guy that I think is one of the biggest lies in the history of Washington well
let me get back to come in a moment James clapper said this about what
you're referring to on this informant this week
no they were not they were spying on a term I don't particularly like but on
what the Russians were doing trying to understand where the Russians
infiltrating trying to gain access trying to gain leverage and influence
well you called a spy they call it an informant what's wrong with the
government trying to figure what's wrong with the government trying to figure out
what Russia was up to nothing wrong with the government doing that everything
wrong with the government spying on a candidate of the opposition party that's
a Watergate spy gate I mean and without any warning to him and now to compound
that to make it into a criminal investigation bill that's why this is a
rigged investigation that's why president's been right from the
beginning way back when the president said there was surveillance of his
campaign turns out he was right it was it was human surveillance rather than
technical surveillance but surveillance nonetheless all right so your strategy
became clear back to James Comey you're gonna put the credibility of the
president up against the credibility of James Comey and almost every day this
week the president referred to Comey he said this just on Wednesday the FBI
is a fantastic institution but some of the people at the top were rotten apples
James Comey was one of them I've done a great service for this country by
getting rid of them by firing and so on that same on that same day James Comey
tweeted this you said facts matter the FBI's use of confidential human sources
the actual term is tightly regulated and essentially protecting the country
attacks on the FBI and lying about its work will do lasting damage to our
country how will Republicans explain this to their grandchildren so you're
putting james comey on trial and now listening
to you talk today you're also putting the government on trial based on the
investigation saying it's not legitimate I understand where you're coming from
mr. mayor but how does this end well first of all it isn't the government
it's James call me clapper Brennan the people who took this investigation and
turned it on a candidate look you can't say is spying on the Russians if what
you're trying to do is to show the Russians are colluding whatever the hell
that means with with with the Trump campaign so
that's mine turned on the Trump campaign when it did that the president should
have been briefed if he wasn't it would be an outrage and and then at that point
the Trump campaign should have been briefed to be asked to cooperate not
treated like criminals when there was no proof of any collusion now we're a year
and a half later and there's no proof of collusion so stop the investigation if
they do not do that does the president have to fire someone president's not
going to fire on it does that would be playing into their hands of playing a
victim Watergate there the Watergate there the people have committed the
crimes what what the what we have to do is go to court and and seek protection
from the court if we have to do that our first thing is we sure as heck are not
going to testify unless it's all straightened out unless we've learned
the basis of that Russian investigation they're not going to tell us because the
bases are going to turn out when it's spread to the Trump to be unethical or
illegal they're gonna have to tell us what they have found so far on the basis
of the investigation Russian collusion here's what they found zero nada nothing
president gee maybe they should wake up and realize the president is innocent
that's why he wants to testify and because of them we don't want him to
testify because they're not fair they have rigged this investigation against
him 13 Democrats angry as heck and some of them they're at Hillary Clinton's
funeral I mean when she was supposed to have a victory party we are a long way
from an interview aren't we well maybe maybe we're not a long way from deciding
we won't have one and then they're going to have to go on what they have
everybody's gonna find out that have anything hmm the week you said if the
summit matter is decided you could sit down in early July and maybe part of
Mother's report comes out in early September is that timeline still viable
it is if we could get over what seems to be fairly monumental problems that keep
growing not we don't create them bill they create they created the problem of
this what do you want to call it spy gate investigation improper
investigation of a candidate why does everybody get all upset when they invade
the Democratic National Committee Republicans do and now they've invaded
the Trump campaign nobody's angry no if you sit for an interview you could walk
into a perjury trap if you delay or if you say no based on your description
today Democrats can use this against Republicans in the midterm are you
essentially boxed in on that schedule well could be but I don't think so I
mean here's where we are we have to be lawyers the the four of us five of us
have to act like lawyers and we have to give him the legal advice he can make
the political judgment look I can put a different hat on and talk about that too
his approval rating is the highest it's ever been I believe the Democrats are
going up wrong alley here Republicans did this to Clinton and a backfire the
reality is the American people have come to the conclusion everybody else has
this investigation is rigged it's unfair and if they have to choose on on
impeachment or not with a president who's going to be making peace with
North Korea God willing and we should all be ready for that they're not
probably but we are I don't see this could really turn on them and they're
not gonna have their impeachment Congress that they want I have two more
questions for you in the time I have left here if you don't sit for an
interview in a good face of subpoena and I know you've said you'll challenge that
subpoena all the way the US Supreme Court where you believe he will win
because you believe you have the votes who is the fifth vote at the Supreme
Court for you today well I think on the constitutional issue it's a closed
question I think we win it as does Ted Olson who wrote an article
the Weekly Standard I think it was last week however on the OLC question namely
do they have the authority to do it we can't lose I think we get all votes
because the the Justice Department defines the authority of the independent
counsel he doesn't have his own authority Justice Department says cannot
issue criminal process to a sitting president that's the law basically all
over the world for a head of state I can't see how we lose that bill I mean
maybe in the Ninth Circuit I picked up not in a vehicle I picked up where the
comments over the week in your cities more likely to sit with chairman Kim
than he is to sit with Bob Muller listening to you probably borrow it I
you described probably barred that into a Korean perjury I mean just listening
to you I don't believe this interview will ever happen am I wrong sir
no if they can satisfy us it could happen he wants to do it so far since
I've been in this all I see are obstacles that they're putting in the
way starting with Cohen I mean what's that all about and then and then and
then going off on something about about the middle east and which turned out to
be a software that was turned down by the campaign I mean and now the spy gate
Wow we got to get and I don't think they're
gonna want to tell us about it because it's so damn embarrassing last class I
want to emphasize one more time yeah not to the FBI leadership at the time yeah
last question do you think you've given structure to his offense since you came
on board Tommy yeah I give you I think I did I think I think I took over a good
situation I think tie and and John Dowd had really done a good job they got out
of the way all the disclosure of documents and now we can sit in the
position and say you don't need him also a way to resist him the subpoena and I
think they had they had pretty much defined the fact that this interview had
it had to be on our terms well we can't do it so I think maybe I
gave it more structure I kind of have knowledge of him probably better than
they do him he and I have very good friends for 30 years yeah very and I've
worked very heavily on his campaign so I know I know this great desire he has to
testify but they also know this is an intelligent man
who's got a lot of other things to do and I can't stand it after this
interview is over later today I'll wait for him to call me
I can't interrupt what's going on with no I can't interrupt a briefing with
Bolton and Pompeyo and stuff this is not important enough mayor giulliani thank
you for your time thanks for spending part of your weekend with us thank you
Thanks
you
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