ladies and gentlemen please welcome to the stage brigadier general Bernie Scott
thank you ladies and gentlemen we are honored today to be presenting this
space as a war fighting domain and our rules of engagement are simple there
whatever general Raymond wants them to be we are privileged to hear from from
him today the commander General John Raymond the commander of Air Force Space
Command bigger General Wayne Monteith 45th Space Wing Commander Colonel
Michael Huff 30th Space Wing Commander Colonel Todd Moore the commander of the
21st Space Wing colonel jennifer grant the commander of the 50th Space Wing in
Colonel David Miller commander of the for 60th Space Wing I sent some
partisanship here general Raymond you may have a problem on your hands so
we'll begin general Raymond make opening comments we'll go right down the table
lady and gentlemen and then we'll open it up for questions you should each have
white cards on your chairs please hold them up in one of our attendants will
gather them and present them to me general Raymond over to you sir thank
you I appreciate it thanks everybody how's everybody doing yeah I'll tell you
it's a real privilege to be sitting up here with the Wing Commanders that I'm
privileged to serve with each and every day and it's really exciting time to be
in our Air Force and a really exciting time to be an Air Force Space Command
we've heard over the last day or so we've been celebrating the 70th
anniversary of the air force this year same month we're also celebrating the
35th anniversary of Air Force Space Command so we have two birthdays that
were celebrating at the command largely since 1991 our Air Force has been
focused on integrating space capabilities into theater operations and
we've done so in a relatively benign domain there hasn't been a threat to
really be concerned about this integration has provided us incredible
advantage and we see this every day playing out in the theater today but
that's no longer a given and as the chief said this morning space
superiority is no longer a birthright and we feel in the future we're gonna
have to fight for that space superiority if we were to get into a high-end fight
so to put this into context I'd like to show a quick short video if you roll the
do please
give me a range and grid to the target range of 1700 meters hey we're still
waiting for the satellites to acquire
can I get a status check on all the vehicles over the target region sir all
birds and area are healthy we have a good file on the GPS building grid 42
tango Charlie whisky nine eight two four six eight
Roger give me sensor over the target
my goodness is double three we advise on the target area currently eyes on three
tangos requesting is our to verify HVT
off of wine Sokka five three car leaves everyone
requesting two on overwatch request you push the double one at the following
grid 32 tango Charlie whiskey 98 Roger Bronco pushing to devil one and we'll
contact him on yellow zero one standby for for 360 looking for a
positive ID on HP t1 how copy good copy standing by how's the
feed look he wants the status upon for one I show no interference our PA alpha
one handshake one double three your Reaper is on station call find out for
one how copy good copy callsign alpha zero one
requesting follow-on cast our location as well seven three you have two f-16
inbound t OT is 15 Mike's call sign
deviltry five four three big bodies for showing indications of jamming over the
target area Rocko Devils 0-3 so the airmen of Air Force Space Command about
36,000 come to work every day to make sure that that what-if doesn't happen
and again privileged very privileged to serve with an incredible group of
leaders that are here with me on the stage what I'd like you to do what I'd
like to do is turn the microphone over they'll introduce themselves talk a
little bit about their wings we'll go down the line and then we'll open it up
for questions thanks sir I'm Brigadier General Wayne Monteith commander the
45th Space Wing and director the eastern range that's Patrick Air Force Base and
Cape Canaveral Air Force Station at the to launch wings control of the
battlefield begins with us we provide assured access to space and at the 45th
Space Wing we are the world's premiere gateway to space this fiscal year we
have launched 21 space missions that represents over one-quarter of all space
missions in the world and we've done it while fighting through two hurricanes
this calendar year we continue to break barriers the x-37 launched a week and a
half ago right before a hurricane irma hit it was launch number 15 for us this
year that means we have launched more than Russia and we have launched more
than China in addition to that we have also landed seven thousand nine
first-stage boosters we have demonstrated that we can launch every
vertical launch system in the u.s. inventory and now flying autonomous
flight safety systems we've taken our capability to launch quickly from 72
hours last year to now I can shoot twice in 24 hours we provide everything the
warfighter needs in space thank you very much
my name is Jennifer grant I'm the commander for the fiftieth Space Wing at
Schriever Air Force Base and it's a pleasure to be here today at Schriever
we have six thousand eight hundred and eighty people assigned here to the wing
and we've been focused primarily on providing global combat effects the
video you just witnessed is what we do in part at Schriever but just like we've
been talking about breaking down barriers that's what we're doing at
Schriever as well and at the fiftieth we're now focused on evolving space and
cyber space war fighting superiority through integrated and innovative
operations and that affects our global positioning system our communication and
space space situational awareness and we also have at Schriever in the fiftieth
the third third space that experimental squadron doing some of our or on-orbit
testing for new systems and our communication squadron which is at the
forefront of the Air Force's cyber space cyber squadron initiative our space
mission force has been the leader in space and with the shift and change in
landscape for space and cyberspace operations from the assumption that we
could operate in a benign environment to an acknowledgment that space and
cyberspace are contested congested and can be degraded we've been at the
forefront of the space mission force development as it relates to and
supports the space superiority initiatives this construct and ensures a
more consistent presentation of forces as you've heard to the combatant
commanders although we've referred to this in large part at our wing as being
deployed in place we have a four month deployment phase on console and four
month dwell time during which period we are focused on developing our tactics
and procedures and doing some advanced academic training we began this
construct on the 1st of February in 2016 and we're eighteen months in and ready
to begin the next rotation on the 1st of October we really are beginning to break
down that barrier of reconstituting our forces and being prepared for a degraded
contested environment in space thank you
I'll choose this mic good afternoon I'm Colonel David Miller or the commander of
the 460 is faithing Panthers our mission set is to provide ballistic missile
warning and infrared surveillance for this nation in our allies so on behalf
of the men and women of the 460 is spacing I'd like to say you're welcome I
think the best way to to introduce the wings mission sets is perhaps to
introduce one of the airmen I brought with me today senior Airman Jacquelyn
kid is standing up or she's going to be standing up shortly there she is right
there he's one of our senior Airmen who's actually the youngest mission crew
chief we're going to have on our crew force and one of the most talented
operators and war fighters that we have thank you for coming you guys over a big
round of applause
because on that operations floor 24 hours a day seven days a week
there is no backup team that's gonna do the missile warning mission for America
it's her and the war fighters that she does the job with on a day-in and
day-out basis that are going to get it done and when you consider their global
responsibilities that they have when you consider that when we started this
business there were two principal adversary or threat countries that we
were concerned about with about four different missile types and that today
were approached in 20 different nations with ballistic missile capability and
dozens of different missile types and those can change on a day to day basis
you get a sense of just how important the responsibility is and these are men
and women who are in their early twenties there's so much more capable
than I was when I was an operator and they deserve the gratitude of the nation
because they just don't get a break there's no stand down because of an
oxygen problem there's no stand down because of any other work that needs to
be done that mission must get done 24 hours a day seven days a week and I
think that's one of the differences that you see sometimes that doesn't get
talked about enough is that while we have backup systems and redundancy it's
going to be the same team of experts they're going to take care of this
mission for American our lives I think the most visible manifestation of what
has changed is what goes on on a day to day basis in that operations floor and
what senior Airman kit does now that we didn't do when I was a crew member there
I'm not gonna say how many years ago it was more than a week ago in the in they
get in shift now and what you will see is a thorough discussion of the threats
on-orbit terrestrial based in cyber that would face and contend with the
capability set that we provide what you begin to see is robust mission planning
and execution based off the range of possible courses of action an adversary
might choose what you see is rehearsal of ways we're going to respond so that
plans and TTP's become habits and that it is not something that you're thinking
of as the moment occurs and what you are beginning to see more and more of is
more more integration between the wings we
Wing Commanders in particular to my right and my left and I think that that
is going to be what allows us to be successful in the future it is a journey
that we are on to ensure that we are prepared for a war fighting domain it is
not something that's going to happen tomorrow but I can tell you that with
the people that we have like senior Airman Jacqueline Kidd and the other
members that I brought from the 460 is basically I have no doubt that they will
be there to provide this capability that simply is unmatched for any other
potential adversary or otherwise and continue to do it on the 24/7 basis
because the American people and our allies expect it thank you good afternoon
I'm Colonel Todd Moore commander of the 21st Space Wing at Peterson Air Force
Base in Colorado Springs as the commander of an air force wing whose
primary mission sets include ground-based missile warning missile
defense and space situational awareness our mission is to execute combined
global capabilities to defend the homeland and to enable space combat
operations we assert this space superiority through disciplined bold and
creative Airmen I am proud of those Airmen they are relentless in
accomplishing the mission and they understand that space is essential to
our way of life and our way of war and it's worth defending our capability to
watch space for adversarial missile launches has been in effect for several
decades with an increasing amount of nations developing ICBM capability
missile warning is an increasingly important rapid detect and dissemination
information for important for dissemination to our nation's leaders
our missile defense mission is a growing effort that pairs Army and Navy missile
tracking and shoot-down capability with our missile with our missile warning
network the 21st Space Wing is a part of a global Space Surveillance Network
designed to detect track and report man-made objects orbiting Earth for
potential threats or hostile action nine of our operational units conduct Space
Surveillance maintaining awareness of all near-earth and deep space cataloged
objects they collect collect roughly 400,000 observation
per day and track 23,000 objects the 18th space control squadron averages 10
collision warning notifications per day and based on this data just last year
satellite owners and operators reported maneuvering their satellites to avoid
collisions approximately a hundred times as we transition into a new era of space
operations we need to move away from simply tracking objects in space for
catalog maintenance as if we're observing a benign environment we need
to change the way we're thinking about space and acquire trained and employee
capabilities that treat space as a contested domain we need to purposefully
observe an Orient to understand what adversaries may be doing so that we can
enable operations that achieve joint warfighting objectives and one of those
top priorities is to deter a conflict in space the United States remains
committed to the free use and access of space for peaceful purposes by all
nations but the reality is we can't always assume that all nations will
pursue only peaceful purposes if we fail to make these changes in the way we
acquire train and employ space capabilities or even more importantly
the way we think about space we may be judged harshly by history I look forward
to your questions either now here on the panel or at any point during the rest of
the conference thank you ok good afternoon Colonel Mike huff commander of
the 30th Space Wing at at Vandenberg Air Force Base California the one of to
launch wings in Air Force Space Command but also one of to launch wings in the
air force mission set where we provide indispensible launch landing and range
capability for our nation launch in the form of placing satellites into a polar
orbit we are strategically where we sit out in California where strategically
placed to do that we also support Global Strike in the operational test and
evaluation in the Minuteman 3 system and and missile defense agency in also the
teeny of the ground-based interceptor four-lane landing capability we are the
backup location or emergency landing location for x-37 operational test
vehicle as well as in the forty-fifth is way ahead of us here so I have to give
them the kudos but we're also going to be SpaceX is going to be landing for the
first time hopefully here in January on terra firma out there at Vandenberg Air
Force Base they've already done the drone ship things so we're looking
forward to supporting them in that and then for the range capability we provide
the telemetry the optics the communication for all those players to
launch and that's not insignificant Vandenberg is the third largest air
force base in our in our air force and with over a hundred thousand acres and
so we have a very very large range that that I've got wonderful Airmen that
support and take care of and again provide that capability to the nation
thank you
all right there's no shortage of questions it's great to be the moderator
so for the Wing Commanders notice there's no questions here for general
Raymond for the Wing Commanders what should a
young cadet know about the space sector before they potentially join Space
Command upon commissioning sir it's a pretty easy it's exciting to be in the
space enterprise right now it used the future whether it's war fighting in
space preparing to war fight in space we've moved from a relatively benign
environment to a rapidly more and more contested in environment and if we are
not prepared to fight in that domain that fight will come to us and so the
opportunities are endless whether it's flying a satellite doing missile warning
or if you're like me and you're a little boy at heart and you can't drive a truck
for a living launching rockets is about the next best thing
launching rocket is fun sir I I would also I would also recommend to a cadet
who is interested in exploring and and eventually becoming part of our space
enterprise here to take advantage of all of the educational opportunities that
you have at your fingertips while you are in that type of an environment to
learn both in the classroom academics but also to to exercise your critical
thinking skills because we are always looking for folks who are able to think
outside the box earlier today you heard general Goldfein talk about hey we're in
an era right now where we need people who are going to be versed to solve
problems who don't just think outside the box but we're thinking about
throwing away the box and so for our young folks who are in school and who
have an opportunity in a very safe and you know creative exploratory type of
environment to really don't be don't be limited by the types of problem sets or
the questions that you can ask and and to be able to do that in particular
where you have some some practical application in that regard - that's okay
I think the only thing that from my perspective is why don't you just come
see us we have a number of programs particularly speak for myself
I partner with both the ROTC detachment at Colorado State University as well as
the ROTC detachment at cu-boulder and we host those cadets in particular but
certainly the Air Force Academy cadets when they come up as well during their
summer break and I think that is the best exposure that you can get to
operations and there are arranged you also get an appreciation for the range
of skill sets and jobs that must be performed in order to ensure that we're
successful so whether you as a cadet choose to do Space Operations or not you
choose to be you know if you come to Buckley to get a look at the cyber
mission defense team you choose to get a look at one of the defenders I brought
one of them with me here today there's a bunch of people who gotta do their part
in order to make these missions work and when you are dealing with critical
infrastructure it's the extent that we have at each one of these bases we
really do fight from our bases and it really is a team effort
so I would encourage you to come out and visit oh I'm sure all of us will stick
around afterward and take the opportunity we'll set something up and
we can we do this on a regular basis because just like our forefathers in the
Air Corps set about educating the American people on the importance of air
power it's our responsibility to do the same for space power first thing I would
say is climbing into is some kind of advanced orbital mechanics would be a
first a great step we need to move from we are evolving to go from two
dimensions plus time air powers three dimensions plus x space operations
really is five dimensions plus time when you consider about how we operate in
space that would be my first the second would be if you're looking at industry
look at distributed architectures and how those operations are in place and
what are the opportunities to to model those and
then the last thing would be to take a look at how industry does systems
integration and working off the delivery of certain products because ultimately
we are trying to I think trying to follow a similar model so we can get
operations online quickly yeah and just to kind of put a cap on this and really
to echo what general Monteith is saying this really is an exciting time to be in
the space business in particular of launch you know you've seen what SpaceX
is doing and other commercial providers that are coming on board are looking at
doing the same you know same type of things again but what that forces us to
do is to be innovative on our part we don't want to be the ones from the space
on the Air Force side of the house to the ones to say no or that we can't do
that we try to keep up with them so and again it's forcing us to relook how we
do business and finally that you've heard what you've seen here up on the
stage is that space is a very diverse mission set so we have launch satellite
command and control you've got a ground-based missile warning space-based
missile warning space control again so I think there's a little something out
there for everybody thank you there's several questions
concerning intelligence so I'm going to wrap wrap them all into one the space
mission force construct is preparing our space operators to be war fighters but
how are we preparing our intelligence analysts within the Air Force to be
better utilized to provide our space crews with actionable Intel Rock once
you start with that and then over to the rest if you'd like to jump in yes sir
I think I think the best way to capture this is within the Intel within the
operational crew we have a number of intelligence professionals who in my day
or was two of them and they were exclusively focused on making sure that
we understood what those threat indications is inw were for the Pacific
specific missiles that we were concerned about as you saw in Desert Storm we were
really focusing on integration and used to defense support program satellites in
order to detect they did a great job because we did not miss a single Scud
that was launched in Desert Storm well now thanks to
brother Dennis both would who's in the audience I think today and the space and
missile system center team we've advanced the new space-based infrared
system and have really taken a quantum leap in capability set our adversaries
have noticed this so their change in the RIT for the Intel analysts that we have
on the operations crew is now to reconcile the challenge that we have
from the counter space threats and those will be as I alluded to earlier specific
indicators and warning of on orbit threats terrestrial based threats and
their cycles that they're on as well as the cyber threats some of this they can
accommodate within their nominal crew force allocation in other words the
number of people that we have dedicated to it some event the boss has helped us
surge capability in particular a focus on counter space intelligence to
supplement that and as we ramp up the SMF over the next year or two to ensure
that we have a robust capability said the last piece is a partnership with Air
Combat Command general Raymond has stood up the OPI our battlespace awareness
Center it at Buckley Air Force Base and particularly in our Mission Control
station and with the commitment of the a two team as well as the commitment of
ACC have allocated over 50 intelligence professionals to help us get after
exploiting this capability called infrared surveillance for all we can I
can't go into too much about it but we don't do space 4 space sake we're not
just gonna fight counter space fights if we have to enforce to for those sake the
purpose of it is is to maintain the warfighting commitment that we made to
provide infrared surveillance and warning so I think what you've seen at
least at Buckley I can say this is a doubling down from the intelligence
professionals both the capability to exploit infrared data as well as the
capability to on-ramp counter space indications in warning and specific
threat TTP modeling for what we would have to contend with if there was a
threat on orbit or on from terrestrial sensors or from cyber
so one of the concepts with SMS SMF is advanced training or 80 in discussions
with in the 21st base wing 80 means slightly something just a little bit
different it means advanced thinking um we need to
think entirely differently about this domain and it may be that our current
Intel professionals don't have all the right answers but it really is incumbent
I would argue on our CEOs to really begin thinking critically and asking
good questions and being curious and getting after it in that regard so that
the intelligence community can go back and start picking at those questions now
the challenges those questions have to come first and so it's a little bit of a
chicken versus the egg but it's got to start somewhere
the second aspect also is as we grow as we grow Intel specialists for space and
space domain and contesta space domain I am hopeful that the NS DC also plays a
relatively large role as we try to bring different elements of the space
enterprise together so that we can gain access to special data as well that we
haven't had access to in the past thank you just add a few things from the
perspective of the 50th in terms of how we've begun to incorporate our Intel
community within our mission sets and primarily we've been pretty fortunate to
have a cadre of Intel folks at the wing embedded with our different mission
space operation squadrons as well who have very creatively crafted a
threatened book is what it's called and catalogued what we know today about some
of the things that we are having to contest in combat in space and some of
the systems that are out there and so we found that by embedding our Intel
personnel asking some of those right questions and that advanced thinking
piece of that in terms of what is on the horizon what types of areas should we be
concerned about that becomes part of the fabric of how we execute this thing
we've called the space mission force and our advanced training and dwell time but
we're also looking at the cyber threats in addition to that as well and so it's
it's really at the tip of the spear I think and and the beginning of what will
soon see is the development for our intelligence personnel and the questions
that were asking and setting some of those requirements so that we're better
equipped for what we need to do all right
there's that several questions on the innovation so let me pose this the panel
how do you encourage innovation and implement ideas from CEOs NCOs and
airmen that are in your wing for us I take the lead my leadership and I've got
three basic tenets number one is it if it's within your authority go fast
number two be bold number three I trust you
there are no bad ideas there are just ideas that need a little bit more work
but if we don't allow them to bring those forward and try they'll never
bring them forward and so go fast be bold I trust you
go make a difference yes sir I would I would echo that at our wing as well and
just the emphasis being on yes the speed and the deliberation but definitely in
trying to knock down barriers that would hinder any of that type of advanced
thinking or innovation in terms of the problem-solving to make sure that our
folks are are not just able to go fast but equipped and and not tripping over
anything that serves as a barrier also to do a big THANK YOU to general Raymond
he implemented something within the magic on here along the shark tank
scenario where if you've got a great idea you don't need to bring it up
through through your chain you don't have to it actually skips skips me and
he gets to briefed directly so I know I think it was just last week and we had I
think it was two or three folks from the wing who who got to brief him directly
on just great ideas that they had so I mean certainly we encourage it and then
you know don't snuff it out there's several questions concerning
partnerships with communicate with commercial space and so each each one
has a different flavor of that Wayne maybe in Mike you could talk a little
bit about partnerships with commercial launch companies like SpaceX and then
and then we'll go from there so so for us to be successful it's
absolutely critically important that we do partner with our commercial providers
and I'll tell you it's it's hard particularly in the beginning Colonel
grant talked about throwing out the box that's exactly what we've done with
SpaceX in my mind they are a disruptive technology they do things completely
different than the way we do it and they have forced us and I do mean force they
have forced us to get better infinitely better at what we do we are adopting
commercial business practices we are becoming more efficient more effective
more affordable working with them we have been able to reduce our day of
launch footprint by over 60% reduce the cost of a single launch for them by over
50% and based on that autonomous flight safety system that they've developed
with us they will help us get to 48 launches a year SpaceX does not launch
on schedule SpaceX launches on readiness if they are ready to launch tomorrow
they want to launch tomorrow and as Colonel Huff mentioned we should not be
the barrier between them and a successful launch campaign they do
things differently and it's good
absolutely right they do force us to get better and what's what's also
encouraging too is that they're they're not the only ones but what we see coming
down the pike or other companies that are looking to do the same thing so I
the forty-fifth has been out in front on this and we're catching up there at the
30th but again we don't want to be the ones to impede that process and so we
have great communication with them we listen to their needs and and and I wish
I controlled everything about launch but there's some things that we have to work
through within the wing within other government agencies we have a pretty
strict environmental process to get things off the ground and to do new
things out there but it's incumbent upon the wing so not only work with not only
work with those industry partners out there like space us but also to work
internally within the government to quicken our process okay Jen maybe we
can take this one do you see a portion of
it's related you see a portion of space operations such as tt NC our
communications being provided by a service from a commercial company or a
commercial provider allowing military to focus their money time and energy on
defending space sir I think that's a good question I think right now we're at
the inflection point of trying to find ways to be a bit more efficient in some
of the more routine operations that we conduct on the ops floor and really the
emphasis with our space mission force if we've mentioned and alluded to is the
fact that we really want our space operators to be developed in terms of
their critical thinking in terms of thinking innovatively and so there are a
variety of different ways to get at taking and and outsourcing some of those
more routine functions that might be one of them another one is increasing the
level of automation that we have I think both of those are currently on the table
in terms of what we're exploring and what we're looking to do but at the end
of the day we really want to emphasize the skill set in our officers to to
think through what we should be doing in a contested environment space there's
several questions related to crew rest in how do we take care of our folks in a
kind of a deployed in place environment so in regards to the chief of staff's
recent announcement regarding Wing Commanders authority to manage crew rest
what is your opinion about the necessity of crew rest to perform space operations
I'm gonna turn this to Colonel Miller a part of the space mission force is
really allowing us to focus more on this more effectively on this deployed and
placed mission and they've just done some really innovative work with a sleep
expert to help their crews work this schedule so Rach can you walk through
that yes sir so absolutely crew rest is important
what we found through the work of our Medical Group particular lieutenant
colonel reading Nicholas and the work that she did is not probably dissimilar
to findings that we saw on the RPA community but a little bit different in
terms of the demands that go for operation
previously for example we would be on 12-hour shifts rotations buried what
days on and days off for but typically a foreign for ISM but you might see four
days on in four days off so what we did was after feedback from the commanders
in particular through the crews was look to get to an eight-hour shift rotation
and try to compare from a evidence based standpoint the performance of our
operators from a 12-hour shift sleepiness as an indicator delayed
reaction times and so on to what we see in an eight-hour shift and as you can
imagine we have the data that shows that people on an eight-hour shift perform
better and I don't mean they just perform better and that they feel more
awake reaction times are better their cognitive warriors so their response and
planning efforts are more crisp their ability to collaborate and coordinate is
more sustained and timely er they did a just an outstanding job and I think that
that information has already been passed to the other wings as I said before
there's no other there's no other wing that's gonna pick up the 50th missions
of the for 60th missions there's no other f-16 unit that's gonna back us up
if we can't do it so those operators have to be ready and to transition to an
eight-hour crew shift was something that was easy to decide to do particularly
once you saw the evidence sustaining it is a challenge I will tell you but just
as you would expect the captains who were charged with figuring it out came
up with an innovative structure for Manning their flights those flights are
actually bigger than some squadrons in some cases to get the captain or
lieutenant who's in charge of that flight the flexibility to man as he or
she sees fit to minimum crew requirements but we have seen great
results in performance and actually have attributed to deficiencies and through
the debrief process have dropped precipitously as well so not only is the
evidence there that your your operators or your war fighters will do a better
job with better rests it is contributed directly to operational results and I
think that's good do the good work of our med group in particular thanks we
just got the hook but let me wrap it up with one final question and
then now what I have them here the rest of the week and so for everybody else
that answered a asked a question yeah we didn't answer the majority of them
please feel free to come up and ask me in person if you really want to ask this
question I'm sorry we ran out of time the question goat is when do you expect
a major conflict in space look what I'll tell you is who knows and nobody would
know that it's unknowable but what I want to stress to this audience is that
we don't want that conflict we're all about deterring that conflict and being
prepared for that kind of like one of the things that our chief says and he
said it repeatedly I've heard him it's it's spot-on he said the only thing that
I'm a hundred percent sure of is we have between now and then to be ready and to
get ready and that's what we're focused on getting ready so we can deter this
conflict we do not want that to happen in my opinion nobody wins that fight and
that's why we come to work every day I really appreciate you being here I
appreciate the robust questions I'm sorry we didn't get the majority of them
please feel free to hit me at any time throughout the week and thanks for this
opportunity to share what we're doing an Air Force Base can you wait
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